Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well become a ref then if you don't like it. Holding and pushing are strategic...are you saying holding when you are hurt isn't a STRATEGY???
Wlad does hold at some times where I am like "What the hell are you doing?" but it's not like Ruiz where you can tell when he's going to do it right after ever single punch he throws
Yeah Corrie Sanders beat Wlad but he was swinging like a god damn gorrilla he's lucky he caught him honestly. I have no issues with that loss, other than lean on him Wlad would have had to cover up and play defense anyway...he decided to brawl and he got caught flush nothing wrong in getting caught like that happens to everyone. Also Corrie was a southpaw and a power puncher tell me that doesn't throw a wrench in anyone's game plan
LG have you ever seen heavyweights fight out of a clinch from let's say the 6th to 12th round..no they are bigger they run out of steam faster it's difficult for them to do it. And if you tie up someone's hands they just plain and simple aren't going to be able to fight out of it. Clinching is a part of boxing..the key is when the ref says BREAK you break, and Wlad does that.
No I am saying it is a strategy. but an illegal stradigy.which should be penalized .. Dude you could say that throwing low blows is a strategy, does not make it legal mate !
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Yes but low blows HURT people clinching DOESN'T......next argument
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes but low blows HURT people clinching DOESN'T......next argument
REGULATORY GUIDELINES AND RULES FOR ALL
WORLD AND REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BOUTS
A foul is an action by a boxer, identified by the referee, that does not meet the standard of a fair blow or the conduct of a responsible professional fighter. Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:
#4 Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch;
now lets go to the next argument ;)
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Since you're obviously another one of those that are buying into what HBO is selling, look at the end of the Wlad vs Byrd fight when they were doing interviews. They asked Lederman for his thoughts and as soon as he started talking about the holding, he got as far as "holding is not legal and it's just not fair", they cut him off quickly before the world hears the truth about what's really going on. Wlad is just an easy guy for them to promote and make money on so excuse me if I'm too smart to see through all that. He has the talent but no the chin or the heart and it shows by him having to hold a light hitting HW like Byrd.
..yes you're too smart to see that he held Byrd to not give him the angles he wanted. If you give a BOXER like Chris Byrd the angles then why even try to fight you won't be able to hit the guy!
Byrd has shorter arms, and is the shorter fighter this means that the closer he gets the more effective his punches are and the less effective Wlad's are...so is it WRONG to tie someone up on the inside?
The same F****** people who get on Wlad's a** for holding never seem to realize that not only Ali did it, not only John Ruiz does it...one IRON MIKE TYSON held on the inside after he threw his punches so he couldn't get countered now tell me how is that different? Evander Holyfield used it as well...I mean I can go on if you want me to but you idiots want to never give Wlad credit that's fine with me it just shows you know F*** all about boxing
You type like you're illiterate and I'm the idiot. You get mad every time I tell you the truth and get all worked up but just cause you get mad, that doesn't mean the truth is gonna stop being the truth. I know alot more about boxing than you do. I'm a fan of guys but when they're flaws come up in topic, I don't try to cover it up by quoting commentators and comparing them to all time greats. He is far from a great fighter. If you can't win without holding, you really do suck.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes but low blows HURT people clinching DOESN'T......next argument
Yes, but Wlad doesn't just clinch, he RIDES his opponents. Often jumping up then coming down on their necks and backs with his whole 250 + lbs. Its a cowardly and illegal tactic. I've seen Ali do similiar tactics, not to mention pick at cuts, and I do not like watching him do it either. Wlad is not flawless, and as others have said, much like Jermain Taylor, is a very good hype job by HBO. Only time Wlad has ever impressed me at all was in defeating Sam Peter, who was raw, but a huge puncher none the less.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
Its not all skill. Its equal parts of skill and strategy. We all know Wlad is great offensively but not defensively. With the grabbing strategy it has allowed Wlad the ability to stay in the fight a longer, especially after he has gotten tagged.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
It's interesting that Wlad was all but washed up before the Peter fight, and now is the best fighter in the division!
The man probably has the most talent in the division right now, at least at this level. He has monster power, great hand speed, and a good mix of punches. One of his most overlooked attributes is his excellent footwork. He is by no means washed up!
With that being said, I still don't think he'll stay at the top very long. For whatever reason, he folds under pressure. He did really well against Peter in that regard, hanging in there until it even looked like he caught a third wind. Also, lots of people here are complaining about Peter hitting him in the back of the head. Am I the only one who saw Wlad turning his back to Peter? I've watched that fight several times, and most of those shots were at least partially due to Wlad turning away from the punches. In any event, if Wlad gets caught by a solid punch, it really rattles him.
Another thing - the Peter fight isn't a good indicator of future success against heavy punchers. Why? Peter is in fact a heavy handed puncher, no doubt - but his punches are terribly slow. That's a good reason why Briggs might very well pose the biggest threat to Wlad's comeback to this point. He's WAY faster than Peter. He's nowhere near as heavy handed, but Briggs can still throw. Add that to the similar reach and height, and Wlad might be in for a tougher fight than expected.
With all that said, I'll still put my money on Wlad for this one...but I think it will be a good indicator of where Wlad really is at this point, where his last two fights weren't quite as illuminating.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
As for the clinching, my opinion is that excessive clinching - a la Ruiz - should NOT be allowed. I think the Wlad/Byrd fight wasn't quite that bad, although it's still not my favorite. It is an intelligent component to be used, though.
Re: Shannon Briggs says stuff
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
You need to be honest with yourself because if you can't see that Wlad's recent success is due to holding, then you're just biased. You really think he would have beaten Peter if he didn't hold him to death? Seriously now.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
You need to be honest with yourself because if you can't see that Wlad's recent success is due to holding, then you're just biased. You really think he would have beaten Peter if he didn't hold him to death? Seriously now.
So his success against Byrd was holding.....
NO open your eyes.....he has KO power and his recent success has been due to movement, speed, power and establishing a sturdy frequent jab...all of the elements that make a fighter great
But all of the people that have never liked Wlad always find some bullshat reason to discredit all the skills...
Ali held yet he was "the greatest of all time"
Holyfields famous win over Tyson was a fucking hug fest that far far far exceeded the number of holds Wlad has had in any fight.
Peter got two gift Knockdowns which were to the back of the head and one legit and Wlad still boxed cirlces around him and outpointed him by a gross margin.
My question to you is this...name one other heavy in the division who has more skills than Wlad and the attributes that you feel stand out!!
Wlad=boxing skills multiple tools that I have already listed earlier in the thread and I'm not going to list again.
Sam Peter= Strongly built with chin and clubbing punch that is better suited for a tough-man competition.
The haters are always going to find a reason to hate a boxer they never liked in the first place.
The guy is the best out there-- deal with it.
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
You need to be honest with yourself because if you can't see that Wlad's recent success is due to holding, then you're just biased. You really think he would have beaten Peter if he didn't hold him to death? Seriously now.
So his success against Byrd was holding.....
NO open your eyes.....he has KO power and his recent success has been due to movement, speed, power and establishing a sturdy frequent jab...all of the elements that make a fighter great
But all of the people that have never liked Wlad always find some bullshat reason to discredit all the skills...
Ali held yet he was "the greatest of all time"
Holyfields famous win over Tyson was a F****** hug fest that far far far exceeded the number of holds Wlad has had in any fight.
Peter got two gift Knockdowns which were to the back of the head and one legit and Wlad still boxed cirlces around him and outpointed him by a gross margin.
My question to you is this...name one other heavy in the division who has more skills than Wlad and the attributes that you feel stand out!!
Wlad=boxing skills multiple tools that I have already listed earlier in the thread and I'm not going to list again.
Sam Peter= Strongly built with chin and clubbing punch that is better suited for a tough-man competition.
The haters are always going to find a reason to hate a boxer they never liked in the first place.
The guy is the best out there-- deal with it.
Wlad is good people, I like him, but he is a hugging S.O.B. I like him when he fight taller fighters because there is not as much hugging and more fighting, It not his fault, they the Ref’s let him get away with it, why not hug? its the ref responsibility to stop the hugging, not Wlad ! and Yes Holyfield did his part in the Tyson fight. It’s a bad trend that needs to be dealt with, cause it just makes for a horrible watch. if they going to allow hugging, at least allow time for the short guy to fight on the inside , I can’t stand repeated quick breaks as a solution to the problem, simply because it gives the shorter fighter no chance to win either let them fight out, or take a point away . . The fact of the matter is Holding is a foul ! Holding is against the rules of boxing and is universally recognized as a foul, enforce the rules ! It’s Simple.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
You need to be honest with yourself because if you can't see that Wlad's recent success is due to holding, then you're just biased. You really think he would have beaten Peter if he didn't hold him to death? Seriously now.
No, he would have been KO'd with out the holding. But like a Klit head said, look how Holyfield fought Tyson, with a lot of holding. Holyfield didn't ride Tyson or jump up then come down on his neck with all his weight like Wlad did with Peter though. And gift knockdowns? When you turn your back in a fight, a la Joe Fraizer vs Goerge Foreman, expect to be hit in the back of the head a good one.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Lyle
As for taller fighters fighting Wlad better...I'm not so sure about that. Lennox Lewis had trouble with taller guys but his jab wasn't as effective as Wlad's.
Wlad vs tall fighters/fighters close to his size
Axel Schulz 6'6 TKO 8
David Bostice 6'5 TKO 2
Derrick Jefferson 6'6 TKO 2
Jameel McCline 6'6 TKO 10
The thing is there is no one out there who will out jab Wlad...he has learned to fight tall and he does it very well.
Shannon Briggs is a fighter who was once very good but he hasn't shown that same skill for a long time which is why I think he'll be beaten badly
At this point in Wlad's career, there's no one who can out hug him either. Not even John Ruiz.
Yep.......his success is due entirely to hugging......give me a break and be honest with yourself. The man is beating everyone out there because of skill.
WTF???
You need to be honest with yourself because if you can't see that Wlad's recent success is due to holding, then you're just biased. You really think he would have beaten Peter if he didn't hold him to death? Seriously now.
No, he would have been KO'd with out the holding. But like a Klit head said, look how Holyfield fought Tyson, with a lot of holding. Holyfield didn't ride Tyson or jump up then come down on his neck with all his weight like Wlad did with Peter though. And gift knockdowns? When you turn your back in a fight, a la Joe Fraizer vs Goerge Foreman, expect to be hit in the back of the head a good one.
C'mon man, you lost all credibility with the Toney and Mayorga worship...
just go to bed and let the grown-ups talk this one out!!
