Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by plinden
i was just watching Peter. Now I know what a problem for his greatnes is: and why he is not a new Tyson: he is too heavy. About 20 pounds. So he lacks that speed and mobility. Look at Tyson when he went for all power and high weight he lost his great mobility.
Honestly...I dont think that he's too heavy...I mean...your'e right...he is heavy...but the issue I see is that he's got no game plan other than loop my shots till one lands.
God I want him to KO Toney though...I mean...just a few lucky shots will do it.
I watched Toney vs Holy just the other night & Holy caught James several times & it stunned him...or kinda slowed him...he felt it is what I'm gettin at...thing is...Holy is thrice as skilled as Peter...but if Peter applies loads of pressure & backs Toney up...he could catch him & really give Toney the Lights Out moniker in a legit way...but...that being said...
I just don't see it happening.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Toney by decision, sure Peter's a big puncher but I don't feel he has the ability to catch Toney!
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I want to pick Peter, but Peter plains sucks as a boxer, haha.
I'll be rooting for Peter this weekend though. ;D
Peter Late Stoppage...
because he's too powerful, young, and wants it.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
In all honesty...I'm really fond of Sam Peter...but indeed he is a bit limited.
Maybe he'll shock the world this go around...maybe not.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I believe Toney is too wise and skilled for someone as 1 dimensional as Peter. I'm not keen on Peter at all and I think it will be a wide ud for James.I hope he comes in condition too.I wonder what would happen if Peter went to the body,it must hurt James with all the flab right?
In all honesty...I'm really fond of Sam Peter...but indeed he is a bit limited.
Maybe he'll shock the world this go around...maybe not.
I like Peter too, and to be honest he as good a chance of beating Toney as there has ever been. Toney's weight issues did seem too much against Rahman. Toney's workrate was poor, he was off balance and was breathing as though he had miniature lungs...and he is 38....
Its all about the weight for me. Even 230 is too heavy for a 38 year old who needs high heels to even get near 6 feet tall.....
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Why go on about Toney being fat; Peter being too heavy is making him just slow enough to be avoided. Peter is to heavy. Toney should be -220 and Peter 230.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by miles
I like Peter too, and to be honest he as good a chance of beating Toney as there has ever been. Toney's weight issues did seem too much against Rahman. Toney's workrate was poor, he was off balance and was breathing as though he had miniature lungs...and he is 38....
Agreed. :coolclick:
Thought & said the very same thing below. This does all hinge on Toney's weight & conditioning.
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Originally Posted by miles
Its all about the weight for me. Even 230 is too heavy for a 38 year old who needs high heels to even get near 6 feet tall.....
Too true!
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Originally Posted by plinden
Why go on about Toney being fat; Peter being too heavy is making him just slow enough to be avoided. Peter is to heavy. Toney should be -220 and Peter 230.
The thing is this...Toney is not a natural at his fattest...Peter is.
Peter's been coming in a 246 to 250 in his most recent fights. I honestly think that Peter with come in at 255-256 for this fight. Peter's mentality seems to be that the heavier he comes in...the harder he hits.
That may be a working factor for him, but not Toney...as he aint a hard hitter in the 200 lb division. Toney's strengths are his slickness...& honestly, they have suffered with the fatter he has gotten. He looked slow & shitty against Rahman...he better be able to slip a lot more...or else he could get caught & get put out.
Which I would love nothing more.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by plinden
i was just watching Peter. Now I know what a problem for his greatnes is: and why he is not a new Tyson: he is too heavy. About 20 pounds. So he lacks that speed and mobility. Look at Tyson when he went for all power and high weight he lost his great mobility.
Honestly...I dont think that he's too heavy...I mean...your'e right...he is heavy...but the issue I see is that he's got no game plan other than loop my shots till one lands.
God I want him to KO Toney though...I mean...just a few lucky shots will do it.
I watched Toney vs Holy just the other night & Holy caught James several times & it stunned him...or kinda slowed him...he felt it is what I'm gettin at...thing is...Holy is thrice as skilled as Peter...but if Peter applies loads of pressure & backs Toney up...he could catch him & really give Toney the Lights Out moniker in a legit way...but...that being said...
I just don't see it happening.
Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by Wadeb_21
Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
Not sure babe...maybe try youtube or one of those sites...but if you have cable...you can watch it on Showtime ON DEMAND & also a few other Toney & Peter fights.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Wadeb_21
Hey Wacko you don't by chance know a place on the web where I could watch the Toney vs. Holyfield fight do you, I never saw that fight and I would love to check it out. Thanks.
Not sure babe...maybe try youtube or one of those sites...but if you have cable...you can watch it on Showtime ON DEMAND & also a few other Toney & Peter fights.
Thanks man I appreciate it.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Here's a question that I'd love an answer to, from everyone on the thread!
What would you rather see Peter do?
For those that want to see Toney lose, how would you rather him take his L? Would you rather him beat Toney by decision or would you rather him KO Toney?
I was thinking & flip flopping on the answer. Honestly, I think that I'd rather Peter drop Toney once or twice like he did Wlad & then go on to win the decision. I think I'd honestly love to see Toney humiliated by someone as limited as Peter.
Just curious what those of you who want Toney to lose think.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
It could go either way, I would like to see Peter knock out Toney because I hate him, and then again I would like to see Toney win where he would then get knocked out by Wlad!
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
I don't really have an preference for who wins this fight - I think the next big thing in the HW division still has yet to make himself known - but if JT loses, I really think it'll be by KO/TKO. You just can't ignore the natural power difference. Peter fights like a bear - maul, maul, maul. Skillwise there's absolutely no comparison. But I still think Peter has a decent shot at this one, simply because JT isn't naturally built to withstand a strong HW's natural power.
I still think JT pulls out the UD...too much slipperiness and guile.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter
Agreed with both the Duke & bcollins...but everyone be sure to plug the polls & vote.
It seems like a landslide in Toney's favor...but I would love it if we all were sitting on the edge of our couches around the world with our jaws on the floor & S*** :LOS: all over the ceilings as Toney counts his 20 or 30th lightbulb!
Heh heh heh.
