Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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if ali and rocky fought this is what would happen haha ;)
There were different outcomes him and Marciano performed..a shame they never revealed the one Ali won.
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his ass (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
You'll be 3000 years old by the time Valuev becomes a great fighter. He needs a lot of work
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
You'll be 3000 years old by the time Valuev becomes a great fighter. He needs a lot of work
I think it's sad you don't think a fighter can better himself. Now I understand why you have so many sad clicks. If I could sad click you, I would.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
You'll be 3000 years old by the time Valuev becomes a great fighter. He needs a lot of work
I think it's sad you don't think a fighter can better himself. Now I understand why you have so many sad clicks. If I could sad click you, I would.
But I can sad click you, chump.
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
You'll be 3000 years old by the time Valuev becomes a great fighter. He needs a lot of work
I think it's sad you don't think a fighter can better himself. Now I understand why you have so many sad clicks. If I could sad click you, I would.
Valuev who knocked out Owen beck with shots to the back of the skull is a real improvement ::**
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
I disagree. I happen to like Valuev and think he can become a great champion.
Foolish, boy. What makes you think that? His gift, title winning effort against Ruiz? His robbery win of Larry Donald? Or was it the way he destroyed smaller fighters like Owen Beck and Clifford Ettienne? The guys garbage. Accept it.
He might not be there yet, but he'll get there. He's improving with each fight. I've read some your posts before joining. There's seems to be no middle ground with you. It's either agreat fighter or garbage fighter. Guess what, there is a middle level. And Valuev is there. With more work he could become a great fighter.
You'll be 3000 years old by the time Valuev becomes a great fighter. He needs a lot of work
I think it's sad you don't think a fighter can better himself. Now I understand why you have so many sad clicks. If I could sad click you, I would.
Valuev who knocked out Owen beck with shots to the back of the skull is a real improvement ::**
That's funny, I remember you saying that Owen Beck lost because he backed straight up.
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Valuev does hit in the back of the head though...I don't know about Beck but he's done it before
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
It's a shame that Valuev's trainers all his life haven't made it clear to him that his jab should be the punch he uses the most. Had he started at a young age concentrating on his jab the most he'd be alot tougher to beat, with his ridiculous reach and all. He's extrememly beatable and that shouldn't be the case with someone as big as he is.
Re: Nikolai Valuev: Is He The Real Deal?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by p4pking
But there was noone to fight that was as good as people consider his record to be.. Walcott, Charles, and Louis, were plain old. Lastarza was tough, so was Rex Layne, and both of those fights were very very hard for Rocky, some ppl think Lastarza won the first fight. I just don't see the greateness on his record that many seem to.. Look at Walcott and Charles record going into their fight's with Rocky, they had practically been beating the crap out of each other for 5 years prior to it, and both were 40ish, just ancient for a fighter in those days..
But Rocky never ducked anyone, Rocky fought everyone that was out there and Valuev has not fought ANYONE.
You cannot be blamed for your lack of competition when it's the best out there at the time....Valuev has guys he can fight Don King just steers him away from those guys
Valuev might be garbage, but he ain't stupid. If a C-level fighter like Larry Donald whipped his a** (he was robbed). He knows what would happen if he faced better fighters
but you cannot deny the fact that Valuev is learning as he goes....with every fight he is getting better...
