Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
Come on!
Lacy was ripped as F*** going into that fight..
If he said he had conditioning problems id assume he was talking about his mental condition! ;)
Toney was soft as my a*** in that fight. ::**
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Majesty...
The Hopkins that RJ fought wasn't half the fightrer he became.
He was just a prospect... Nothing more.
And although Cal beat Eubank, Eubank was a dominant champ and i belive he could of beat Hopkins that very day.
And in regards to the Toney - RJJ fight.... We all know the weight/ Conditioning problems Toney had going into the fight ::**
What im trying to say is, its not so simple drawing comparisons between careers. ;)
Come on! Fuk the weight problems, I like Toney but that was his fault, and he wasn't beating Roy Jones at that time period. What if Lacy said he had great problems making weight would you just automatically dismiss Calzaghes dominant win over him? NO, I didn' think so. The weight drained shat is an EXCUSE. Roy dominated Toney who was a better fighter than Calzaghe, or Eubank.
I agree come the fuk on! Roy wasn't half the fighter he'd become when he fought Hopkins and he did it with one hand and he fought and beat Toney in his first venture at super middleweight. If you're going to degrade Roy's Toney fight by saying Toney had weight problems. Chris Eubank had weight problems to make 168 to fight Calzaghe if you want to be technical so lets stop giving credit to Joe for that victory.
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Come on!
Lacy was ripped as F*** going into that fight..
If he said he had conditioning problems id assume he was talking about his mental condition! ;)
Toney was soft as my a*** in that fight. ::**
You must have buns of steel then, cus Toney looked to be in pretty good shape to me. He wasn't ripped, but he rarely is or has been aside from the Adolpho Washington fight. Toney was just flat out beat, out slicked, out speeded, out gunned, out boxed. The point wasn't that Lacy was outta shape, he wasn't, just sayin that Toney used an excuse and it should not detract from Jones' win.
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Come on!
Lacy was ripped as F*** going into that fight..
If he said he had conditioning problems id assume he was talking about his mental condition! ;)
Toney was soft as my a*** in that fight. ::**
You must have buns of steel then, cus Toney looked to be in pretty good shape to me. He wasn't ripped, but he rarely is or has been aside from the Adolpho Washington fight. Toney was just flat out beat, out slicked, out speeded, out gunned, out boxed. The point wasn't that Lacy was outta shape, he wasn't, just sayin that Toney used an excuse and it should not detract from Jones' win.
Toney uses it as an excuse when he's hyping a fight. Otherwise he says that Roy beat him fair and square and hands down.
But if credit is taken away from Roys victory against Toney because of weight issues. Then Calzaghe's credit should be taken away from beating Eubank who was also battling weight issues. He hadn't fought at Super Middle for the last 2 years and had weight issues going into that fight. Why do you think the rest of his fights after that one were at cruiserweight ::**
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
Okay Okay, i give in....!
I have buns of steele and im proud of it ;D
But by the way.... You think the Calzaghe that beat Eubank was the same Calzaghe that beat Lacy?
Then i guess the argument is still open.
Im just not that bothered anymore to argue it :-\
;D
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Majesty...
The Hopkins that RJ fought wasn't half the fightrer he became.
He was just a prospect... Nothing more.
And although Cal beat Eubank, Eubank was a dominant champ and i belive he could of beat Hopkins that very day.
And in regards to the Toney - RJJ fight.... We all know the weight/ Conditioning problems Toney had going into the fight ::**
What im trying to say is, its not so simple drawing comparisons between careers. ;)
Come on! Fuk the weight problems, I like Toney but that was his fault, and he wasn't beating Roy Jones at that time period. What if Lacy said he had great problems making weight would you just automatically dismiss Calzaghes dominant win over him? NO, I didn' think so. The weight drained shat is an EXCUSE. Roy dominated Toney who was a better fighter than Calzaghe, or Eubank.
Chris Eubank had weight problems to make 168 to fight Calzaghe if you want to be technical so lets stop giving credit to Joe for that victory.
haha, credit?? every time that fight is ever mentiond its "eubank was past it" "eubank was this, eubank was that"
the lacy fight, "lacy was overrated" "lacy was to young"
don't think calzaghe gets credit for any of his fights;)
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Majesty...
The Hopkins that RJ fought wasn't half the fightrer he became.
He was just a prospect... Nothing more.
And although Cal beat Eubank, Eubank was a dominant champ and i belive he could of beat Hopkins that very day.
And in regards to the Toney - RJJ fight.... We all know the weight/ Conditioning problems Toney had going into the fight ::**
What im trying to say is, its not so simple drawing comparisons between careers. ;)
Come on! Fuk the weight problems, I like Toney but that was his fault, and he wasn't beating Roy Jones at that time period. What if Lacy said he had great problems making weight would you just automatically dismiss Calzaghes dominant win over him? NO, I didn' think so. The weight drained shat is an EXCUSE. Roy dominated Toney who was a better fighter than Calzaghe, or Eubank.
Chris Eubank had weight problems to make 168 to fight Calzaghe if you want to be technical so lets stop giving credit to Joe for that victory.
haha, credit?? every time that fight is ever mentiond its "eubank was past it" "eubank was this, eubank was that"
the lacy fight, "lacy was overrated" "lacy was to young"
don't think calzaghe gets credit for any of his fights;)
Roy beats Hopkins
"Hopkins wasn't in his prime yet"
Roy beats Toney
"Toney had weight issues"
Roy beats many people who went on to become world champions
"They are nobodies" when they win a title "They are respected Champions"
:)
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Come on!
Lacy was ripped as F*** going into that fight..
If he said he had conditioning problems id assume he was talking about his mental condition! ;)
Toney was soft as my a*** in that fight. ::**
You must have buns of steel then, cus Toney looked to be in pretty good shape to me. He wasn't ripped, but he rarely is or has been aside from the Adolpho Washington fight. Toney was just flat out beat, out slicked, out speeded, out gunned, out boxed. The point wasn't that Lacy was outta shape, he wasn't, just sayin that Toney used an excuse and it should not detract from Jones' win.
Toney uses it as an excuse when he's hyping a fight. Otherwise he says that Roy beat him fair and square and hands down.
But if credit is taken away from Roys victory against Toney because of weight issues. Then Calzaghe's credit should be taken away from beating Eubank who was also battling weight issues. He hadn't fought at Super Middle for the last 2 years and had weight issues going into that fight. Why do you think the rest of his fights after that one were at cruiserweight ::**
Eubank was dealing with alot of things, and he never was as good as TOney imo, and he was past his prime when he fought Calzaghe where as Toney was at his pinnacle when he fought Jones who was still rising.
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
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Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
Bernard Hopkins was young but no where near his prime. He was a late bloomer. In a (Tarver Hopkins) pre-fight interview Hopkins said it best when he said Tarver didn't fight the same RJJ that he did and RJJ didn't fight the same Hopkins that Tarver was about to.
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by lb4lb
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
Bernard Hopkins was young but no where near his prime. He was a late bloomer. In a (Tarver Hopkins) pre-fight interview Hopkins said it best when he said Tarver didn't fight the same RJJ that he did and RJJ didn't fight the same Hopkins that Tarver was about to.
For me, that basically raps up the whole "yeah but RJJ beat Hopkins argument"
Thank you lb4lb
Have a :coolclick:
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
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Originally Posted by lb4lb
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
Bernard Hopkins was young but no where near his prime. He was a late bloomer. In a (Tarver Hopkins) pre-fight interview Hopkins said it best when he said Tarver didn't fight the same RJJ that he did and RJJ didn't fight the same Hopkins that Tarver was about to.
For me, that basically raps up the whole "yeah but RJJ beat Hopkins argument"
Thank you lb4lb
Have a :coolclick:
No Hopkins didnt fight the RJJ that Tarver did
And Tarver didnt fight the RJJ that Hopkins did
None of them fought a prime RJJr
But James Toney did ;)
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
*SPOILERS*
Where's my month of coolclicks wacko?
I told you and I bet u a month of coolclicks that Joe would look average his next time out. I'm here to collect ;)
You say that anytime a white boy fights though :lickish:
Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JimBoogie
Come on!
Lacy was ripped as F*** going into that fight..
If he said he had conditioning problems id assume he was talking about his mental condition! ;)
Toney was soft as my a*** in that fight. ::**
You must have buns of steel then, cus Toney looked to be in pretty good shape to me. He wasn't ripped, but he rarely is or has been aside from the Adolpho Washington fight. Toney was just flat out beat, out slicked, out speeded, out gunned, out boxed. The point wasn't that Lacy was outta shape, he wasn't, just sayin that Toney used an excuse and it should not detract from Jones' win.
Exactly. Toney needs to come to gripes with the ass kicking he got. I am not a Calzaghe hater, but i'm not impressed by him. Alot of people are, especially after he beat Lacy....but i was never really impressed with Lacy. Bottom line for me...Roy would have made Calzaghe look silly. Too much skill and atheletic ability.
