Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
All your link says is he'll come to the US to fight Hopkins. So what?
I think this is the portion of the article that you should have focused on ;)
Hopkins' promoter Don King and Calzaghe's backer Frank Warren reached agreement for a fight last year, and the US television station Showtime was prepared to underwrite the event. But after a $3m (£1.8m) payday had been agreed, the fight fell through when Hopkins doubled his purse demands
Hope this helps. It wont but there you go.
Hopkins was doing them a favor by giving them a chance for the fight to still happen. All they had to do was double the purse. This was a test on Calzaghe's and Warren's heart and balls. To see how much they had. And they failed. Cuz they didn't really want the fight that's why. You can't knock Hopkins for asking for more. He was the one in control. Hopkins had other options. Easier more profitable options. But he was willing to fight a bigger fighter and for a lot less money. All he asked was that they pay him a little more. Calzaghe and Warren punked out. Hopkins went on to fight De La Hoya and collect $20 million. Where's Calzaghe now? Still trying to get paid.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-9235743-details/Joe's+dream+fight+awaits/article.do;jsessionid=2RDyFfKd3n5P8lzcct7V0wvYLQfT 0GMkZYtrqpMgmZYMGV1tlmlT!-1728221912
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...
Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by raleights
At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...
Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)
No at the end of the day Calzaghe chose not to fight Hopkins by not agreeing to his demands. Name me any fighter that does not want to fight De La Hoya?
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by big_mike16au
If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.
So very true. Yet you'll be surprised how many of his little groupies ignore that fact.
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by The Bogeyman
Nice article Ouma.
I dont think Taylor-v-Calzaghe will happen anytime soon, IMO Taylor will season himself at 160 for as long as he can (18 months to 2 years) andf then move up to fill Calzaghe's void.
In the mean time i feel that Calzaghe cant hang around at 168 much longer.
A fight with Kessler should be on the cards and after that we'll see if he can stay at 168?
i think anything other than a Kessler fight is not worthy of print or thought.....
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by raleights
At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...
Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)
No at the end of the day Calzaghe chose not to fight Hopkins by not agreeing to his demands. Name me any fighter that does not want to fight De La Hoya?
Both fights could of easily been made
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hopkins was doing them a favor by giving them a chance for the fight to still happen. All they had to do was double the purse. This was a test on Calzaghe's and Warren's heart and balls. To see how much they had. And they failed. Cuz they didn't really want the fight that's why. You can't knock Hopkins for asking for more. He was the one in control. Hopkins had other options.
I think offering Hopkins more money than he had ever made in his life is an indication of how much Calzaghe wanted the fight dont you? What were those other options by the way? Hakkar, Joppy, Allen? Did Hopkins make $3 million for any of those, or those three in total?
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by raleights
At the end of the day Bernard chose not to fight Joe for easier competition and more money right? You say that as if it's something noble.... Like Thomas Hearns would of been better off not fighting Hagler, Ray Leonard would of been better off not fighting Duran...
Depriving everyone of a dream fight like this out of being stubborn/scared or what whatever isn't something that can be defended :)
The exact same reasons why Calzaghe will not be fighting Kessler.
But i'm sure when it's Calzaghe doing it, suddently it CAN be defended.
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
My money for the next fight is on Peter Manfredo Jr.
The fight will be 'big' and in the UK against an American according to Warren,
Because of his TV role, it will sell tickets and attract TV attension as the first contender to fight a world title fight. - It will also be a fight for Joe that is far easier than the hype would suggest thus protecting him for his 'mega' fight (please be Kessler!) Added to this Manfredo's name has been banded around previously when Calzaghe ended up fighting Bika.
To me it all makes sence - perfect oppenent on all Warren's critera and to the average fan it will generate huge interest, i think Manfredo has been released from his contender contract so that obsticle will be removed.
We'll see
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by big_mike16au
If Calzaghe does not secure a big name soon, he will have one of the meaningless boxing careers in history. Why can't he get fights? Because he wont leave his home turf. I'm not sure if this next bit is entirely true, but Kessler travelled all the way to Australia to fight Mundine, he's not afraid to travel. That being said I doubt he would go to Joe's home turf, Kessler has the better belts and the pressure is not on him to make tihs fight happen.
So very true.  Yet you'll be surprised how many of his little groupies ignore that fact.
well when someone wants alot more money just after they signed the deal i dont think id be too happy with that either u say about calzaghes balls and heart what about hopkins wanting more money that doesnt exactly sound like someone who was confident
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by James
My money for the next fight is on Peter Manfredo Jr.
The fight will be 'big' and in the UK against an American according to Warren,
Because of his TV role, it will sell tickets and attract TV attension as the first contender to fight a world title fight. - It will also be a fight for Joe that is far easier than the hype would suggest thus protecting him for his 'mega' fight (please be Kessler!) Added to this Manfredo's name has been banded around previously when Calzaghe ended up fighting Bika.
To me it all makes sence - perfect oppenent on all Warren's critera and to the average fan it will generate huge interest, i think Manfredo has been released from his contender contract so that obsticle will be removed.
We'll see
So if it's Manfredo.
How should the level of competition be considered compared to the Bika fight?
(perhaps considering that some ppl now in retrospect chooses to rate Bika quite high)
A step up?
About the same?
Worse?
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.
above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.
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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?
There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win
I think that makes you infamous VD ;D
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up S***. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his a** for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.
above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.
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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?
There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his a** for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win
I think that makes you infamous VD ;D
That's gotta be JanGeorg. He does that a lot. I don't like that style much.
Seen him copy some of my stuff once or twice as well.
If he's gonna do it. Credit the writer or at least make it clear you've picked it up somewhere.
I was annoyed when he used mine, but i didn't confront him about it.
I assume his reasons are that he finds it difficult to put his thoughts in english writing - so when he sees something repressentative of his own views, he'll just use that.
Still - don't like it much.
Re: Calzaghe says a Jermain Taylor fight is number one on his list
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hopkins and Jones are nowhere near there primes. Why the sudden urge to fight them now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago? Taylor and Wright are both naturally smaller fighters. That ain't some made up shit. It's true. Still a win over Wright, would be impressive in my view. Taylor not as much since I think he still needs a lot of work. Kessler? There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win.
above quote from Violent demise. Below a quote from some Dane at Eastside.
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Hopkins is nowhere near there primes,Why the sudden urge to fight him now (after Hopkins retired) as oppose to years ago?
There ain't no excuse. Kessler is in his prime right now. He's fought over 35 times. This ain't Lacy and his barely 20 fights. He's got like 5 or 6 former champions on his resume. He's somebody. If Calzaghe beats him, than he can't be knocked. I'll give him credit. Hell, if he beats Kessler I'll never bad mouth Calzaghe again. And I'm talking about a real win. Not one of those "Kessler had him down 3 times, but lost cuz Calzaghe claimed he couldn't continue cuz of a suppose rabbit punch." Or "Kessler beat his ass for 12, but lost cuz they were fighting in Joe's back yard." A real win
I think that makes you infamous VD ;D
The boxing knowledge is very limited at Eastside. All the posters there are pretty much on the same level. Which is mediocre. Looks like one of them decided to try and jump from mediocre to genius level by copying the posts of a boxing genius from another site. I guess he taught nobody would noticed. O'well. It's not the first time it's happened.
