Re: Calzaghe deserves respect
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Who is the moron that gives Joe professional advice? Some drunk fool from his local pub? I mean really,come the F on!
Easy...I felt that one. ;D Heh heh heh.
Come on Wack! Dont tell me your that "drunk fool"! Ill have to dedicate my life to giving you SCs. Anyway, if Joe dosent fight Kessler in the year 2007 I will lose all respect for him. He dominated Lacy ,who I "KNEW" was going to blast Joe back to the stone age. I was wrong. So now we have Kessler. Hes got the other belts. Who really is better? Not one of us knows. Until they fight it is only speculation. If things happen the way I see them:Joe vs Kess never happens. Joe never fights "Mr.big name American". He leaves boxing with either a loss or the Kess ? mark. And then Kessler becomes a big name and gets those big money HBO,SHO,PPV fights Joe wanted. I honestly see Kessler comming out ahead when all is said and done (unless Joe fights and beats him).
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
Based on what? Defending the crappy a** WBO title so many times? Beating shot, past there prime ex champions? Or is it cuz he beat a young title holder who wasn't as good as he was made out to be?
Kessler in only his second year as champ unified - something that took Calzaghe a decade
Re: Calzaghe deserves respect
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Who is the moron that gives Joe professional advice? Some drunk fool from his local pub? I mean really,come the F on!
Easy...I felt that one. ;D Heh heh heh.
Come on Wack! Dont tell me your that "drunk fool"! Ill have to dedicate my life to giving you SCs. Anyway, if Joe dosent fight Kessler in the year 2007 I will lose all respect for him. He dominated Lacy ,who I "KNEW" was going to blast Joe back to the stone age. I was wrong. So now we have Kessler. Hes got the other belts. Who really is better? Not one of us knows. Until they fight it is only speculation. If things happen the way I see them:Joe vs Kess never happens. Joe never fights "Mr.big name American". He leaves boxing with either a loss or the Kess ? mark. And then Kessler becomes a big name and gets those big money HBO,SHO,PPV fights Joe wanted. I honestly see Kessler comming out ahead when all is said and done (unless Joe fights and beats him).
Why is it automatically assumed by you that it is Calzaghe trying to avoid Kessler, as far as I can see Team Palle have thrown this smokescreen of a $3.4million offer to fight in Denmark in one of the most partisan arenas in the world, where the home fans, who are pretty damn good from what we saw against Markus Beyer, and risk it all where the scorecards might be very dubious in their honesty. As far as I'm concerned that was a feint by them to suggest they wouldn't go outside of Denmark, and for me, Calzaghe shouldn't be going in there, after all, the two-year champion Kessler was practiacally still in diapers when Calzaghe became champ, and he's still here. If it can be made elsewhere, then I hope we see Calzaghe v Kessler, but not in Denmark, it just doesn't make sense to take that silly risk. There's also his promoter's agenda of trying to crack the states, so a Kessler fight might be further down the line in his mind too.
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Who is the moron that gives Joe professional advice? Some drunk fool from his local pub? I mean really,come the F on!
Easy...I felt that one. ;D Heh heh heh.
Come on Wack! Dont tell me your that "drunk fool"! Ill have to dedicate my life to giving you SCs. Anyway, if Joe dosent fight Kessler in the year 2007 I will lose all respect for him. He dominated Lacy ,who I "KNEW" was going to blast Joe back to the stone age. I was wrong. So now we have Kessler. Hes got the other belts. Who really is better? Not one of us knows. Until they fight it is only speculation. If things happen the way I see them:Joe vs Kess never happens. Joe never fights "Mr.big name American". He leaves boxing with either a loss or the Kess ? mark. And then Kessler becomes a big name and gets those big money HBO,SHO,PPV fights Joe wanted. I honestly see Kessler comming out ahead when all is said and done (unless Joe fights and beats him).
Why is it automatically assumed by you that it is Calzaghe trying to avoid Kessler, as far as I can see Team Palle have thrown this smokescreen of a $3.4million offer to fight in Denmark in one of the most partisan arenas in the world, where the home fans, who are pretty damn good from what we saw against Markus Beyer, and risk it all where the scorecards might be very dubious in their honesty. As far as I'm concerned that was a feint by them to suggest they wouldn't go outside of Denmark, and for me, Calzaghe shouldn't be going in there, after all, the two-year champion Kessler was practiacally still in diapers when Calzaghe became champ, and he's still here. If it can be made elsewhere, then I hope we see Calzaghe v Kessler, but not in Denmark, it just doesn't make sense to take that silly risk. There's also his promoter's agenda of trying to crack the states, so a Kessler fight might be further down the line in his mind too.
Kessler just offered Calzaghe the biggest payday of his life: US$ 3,4 mill.
So now that the "only p4p top 10 people" argument isn't doing too well with Joe fighting the likes of Ashira, Bika and Manfredo..
The next argument is the BIG $$$... and the biggest offer in terms of $$$ ?Joe has ever gotten is from.... drumroll.... Big Kess!
I know there are a few other possible defenses that could be conjured up so as to explain how Joe can avoid Kessler - but they will not do better when looked at just a little more closely. Joe is running.. simple.
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Kessler is more english than Calzaghe.
His mother is English and Kessler has been over loads of times to see his cousins etc
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Who is the moron that gives Joe professional advice? Some drunk fool from his local pub? I mean really,come the F on!
Easy...I felt that one. ;D Heh heh heh.
Come on Wack! Dont tell me your that "drunk fool"! Ill have to dedicate my life to giving you SCs. Anyway, if Joe dosent fight Kessler in the year 2007 I will lose all respect for him. He dominated Lacy ,who I "KNEW" was going to blast Joe back to the stone age. I was wrong. So now we have Kessler. Hes got the other belts. Who really is better? Not one of us knows. Until they fight it is only speculation. If things happen the way I see them:Joe vs Kess never happens. Joe never fights "Mr.big name American". He leaves boxing with either a loss or the Kess ? mark. And then Kessler becomes a big name and gets those big money HBO,SHO,PPV fights Joe wanted. I honestly see Kessler comming out ahead when all is said and done (unless Joe fights and beats him).
Why is it automatically assumed by you that it is Calzaghe trying to avoid Kessler, as far as I can see Team Palle have thrown this smokescreen of a $3.4million offer to fight in Denmark in one of the most partisan arenas in the world, where the home fans, who are pretty damn good from what we saw against Markus Beyer, and risk it all where the scorecards might be very dubious in their honesty. As far as I'm concerned that was a feint by them to suggest they wouldn't go outside of Denmark, and for me, Calzaghe shouldn't be going in there, after all, the two-year champion Kessler was practiacally still in diapers when Calzaghe became champ, and he's still here. If it can be made elsewhere, then I hope we see Calzaghe v Kessler, but not in Denmark, it just doesn't make sense to take that silly risk. There's also his promoter's agenda of trying to crack the states, so a Kessler fight might be further down the line in his mind too.
Fail to see why Denmark is more partisan than Wales/UK or anywhere else. You get crap decissions everywhere. But it would be no more likely for Calzaghe in Denmark than for Kessler in the UK.
Also if Calzaghe/Warren are unhappy about fighting in Denmark or unhappy about the money or whatever, they could have made an offer for a fight in the UK. But the real issue is they've made no such offer - despite being repeatedly asked for one (by Team Palle). Simple fact is that Fwank and Joe at this time does not want to persue a Kessler-fight. That's why they're accused of running.
Relating to other posts - as for Calzaghe having fought "everyone" i think that is far from the truth. He's fought a small number of very good opposition. But just from a danish perspective, a guy like Mads Larsen would have been a clear step up in competition compared to at least two thirds of Calzaghe's opponents as a champ. Larsen offered to fight repeatedly - but was constantly ignored. From a broader perspective there's a number of opponents who'd been more worthy than Joe's chosen opponents - but who were ignored as they didnt fit into Fwank and Joe's schemes.
Despite Joe's nine year WBO reign and his obvious skills, he has yet to prove himself. And it's his own (and Fwank's) bloody fault.
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The other nine best super-middleweights of the last 10 years - Steve Collins, Dean Francis, Robin Reid, Richie Woodhall, Omar Sheika, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, and Glenn Catley, with the exception of Steve Collins (who chickened out of the Calzaghe fight 11 days to go) all have one thing in common: all got beat up by Joe Calzaghe.
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Brewer was robbed against Echols and Ottke, Mitchell and Reid were also robbed against Ottke. Sheika was supposed to be the 'next big thing', and coming off a win over Glen Johnson, and Francis and Catley Joe stopped at the '92 ABA's.
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even though he went up in weight to light-heavy, Roy Jones was a great former super middleweight joe never fought because of certain circumstances.
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Ive rated Joe in the top 10 p4p long before the Lacy fight, I'd put him top 5 to be honest, but I can see how some people wouldnt see eye to eye with me on that one.. because of the opposition he has/hasnt faced(yet)...
Im a big fan of the guys skills and heart but the fact is if he Doesnt get a couple of BIG fights soon his legacy is gonna be as worthless as Sven Ottkes (that really would be a sickener). Joe aint got long left to shine, he has 3 good fights left in him if that! He HAS to step up the level of oppostition!!.
His career frustrates the hell outa me sometimes because I can see how good he is.Personally I'd like to see him fight Taylor THEN Kessler, because if he beats Taylor first he will be a lot more markatable in the states for the Kes fight. He can beat both these guys IMO. Joe will get the respect he deserves only when he takes out a couple of big names.
Im a fan yeah, and I k now how good he is, but if he doesnt sort is act out soon im done with the guy.
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at least[/u] two thirds of Calzaghe's opponents as a champ. Larsen offered to fight repeatedly - but was constantly ignored. From a broader perspective there's a number of opponents who'd been more worthy than Joe's chosen opponents - but who were ignored as they didnt fit into Fwank and Joe's schemes.
Despite Joe's nine year WBO reign and his obvious skills, he has yet to prove himself. And it's his own (and Fwank's) bloody fault.
Agreed about FW, he's been cotton-wooling his fighters for too long now, but that's a promoter problem, and him not working enough with the other big promoters. It's not that I'm complaining about dodgy decisions in different countries, but as a Calzaghe fan, I don't want him going to Denmark where he will be at a disadvantage. I'd be happy to see Kessler come over here and fight, but he'll have the same mindset, of not wanting to go away from the hordes of adoring fans that he is used to, and going into a really hostile atmosphere in the UK. Which is why I think negotiations about a fight in Denmark are a non starter, it would have to be more than just Calzaghe's biggest payday, but indeed millions more than his biggest payday to make it worth the risk of facing a hostile crowd who, in turn, may influence the referee and scorers. Kessler's people know that Calzaghe won't accept a deal at that level to fight in Denmark, so it is just a smokescreen.
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Kessler just offered Calzaghe the biggest payday of his life: US$ 3,4 mill.
So now that the "only p4p top 10 people" argument isn't doing too well with Joe fighting the likes of Ashira, Bika and Manfredo..
The next argument is the BIG $$$... and the biggest offer in terms of $$$ ?Joe has ever gotten is from.... drumroll.... Big Kess!
I know there are a few other possible defenses that could be conjured up so as to explain how Joe can avoid Kessler - but they will not do better when looked at just a little more closely. Joe is running.. simple.
Mate, fair play for backing up your fighter, but Kessler's bluffing, if he really wants to see and unification fight between him and Calzaghe then he has to start negotiating about a neutral venue, or he has to start putting offers on the table that reflect the risk of a dodgy decision and dodgy refereeing influenced by a baying mob of Kessler fans. Previous payday's have very little to do with it, Kessler's payday for a fight against Calzaghe would also be a huge increase on his best ever, and ultimately, Kessler is trying to embarrass and taunt Calzaghe into coming into his back yard for the fight, and it won't work.
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Originally Posted by jangeorg
Kessler just offered Calzaghe the biggest payday of his life: US$ 3,4 mill.
So now that the "only p4p top 10 people" argument isn't doing too well with Joe fighting the likes of Ashira, Bika and Manfredo..
The next argument is the BIG $$$... and the biggest offer in terms of $$$ ?Joe has ever gotten is from.... drumroll.... Big Kess!
I know there are a few other possible defenses that could be conjured up so as to explain how Joe can avoid Kessler - but they will not do better when looked at just a little more closely. Joe is running.. simple.
All ready coverd this before, there aint no way in hell Joe would have his 20th title def in denamrk lol... i mean Kessler pulls in like 7k people for his unification with buyer, calzaghe can pull in 30k and up from fighting basicaly anyone in wales/england...
If kessler wnats this fight bad enough, he can drop his pirce and come to wales for it. 'Coz while Kessler and team palle, and royal and his fan club are telling anyone whow ill listen how Calzaghe was to scared to fight him, calzaghe will be increasing his name in the US alot more by fighting manfredo Jr, than he would by fighting Kessler infront of some danish croud, for what looks like a meeting with Taylor sometime in 2007 in the us...
and trust me, around the time of the calzaghe taylor fight, kessler will losse his belts to Lacy:)
Whats the point of calzaghe even fighting kessler yet anyhow, for joes point of view, he beats kessler, he will have to liek vacate 2-3 of the belts, coz he wnats taylor next, and with 4 titles he wont get to taylor without vacating a few, there is talk already of the IBF wanting to strip him of his title lol...
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Mate, fair play for backing up your fighter, but Kessler's bluffing, if he really wants to see and unification fight between him and Calzaghe then he has to start negotiating about a neutral venue, or he has to start putting offers on the table that reflect the risk of a dodgy decision and dodgy refereeing influenced by a baying mob of Kessler fans. Previous payday's have very little to do with it, Kessler's payday for a fight against Calzaghe would also be a huge increase on his best ever, and ultimately, Kessler is trying to embarrass and taunt Calzaghe into coming into his back yard for the fight, and it won't work.
I think it's more a case of Kessler/Palle trying to embarrass and taunt Calzaghe/Warren into making then an offer for a fight in the UK - But it seems that won't work either.
Bloody shame that it won't if you ask me.
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Kessler/Palle do not need to embarrass Calzaghe. Calzaghe is embarrassing himself by even considering a Manfredo fight.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
I think so, but I really didnt at any point say so... ::** ;D
