Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
Tyson had 16 KO's and Lewis had only 8.I would think that if a guy can't get up to his feet at all that must tell you that he has been hit harder than if he did regain his bearings and risen to his feet.
I also believe Wladimir Klitschko hits harder than Lewis.He has 16 KO's like Tyson.Wladimir has stopped guys that have great chins like Byrd,Brock,Nicholson,McCline,Mercer(TKO 6 while it went all 10 with Lewis),Shufford,Barrett,Bostice,Castillo,Wolfgramm ......
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
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X good post, but looking at it as you would yourself. I think on the hole tyson punched harder
I think Lewis might hit a bag harder, but Tyson had better technique and balance - not to mention speed, so i think he would hit a person harder in the ring.
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
For one shot power I think Lewis, For technique Tyson
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Whoa! both of these guys are excellent punchers but i'll give the edge to Mike because he has more assortment of powerful punches.
Lennox's best power punch is that overhand right/straight and a stiff left jab. I also saw him knock guys out with big right uppercuts.
Peace to all :goodpost:
lets do similar opponents
tony tucker vs tyson= ud for tyson
tony tucker vs lewis= ud for lewis but lewis floored him twice
ruddock vs tyson= win 7th round tko wins 12 round ud
ruddock vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
frank bruno vs tyson= tyson wins both fights 5th and 3rd round
bruno vs lewis= lewis wins tko but being behind on my scorecard at the time of the stoppage
golota vs tyson= golota doesnt come out for the 3rd if i remember right so nc
golota vs lewis = lewis destroys him in 1
botha vs tyson= tyson kos him in the 5th but being behind at the time
botha vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
holyfield vs tyson= tyson loses in 11th and again by dq
holyfield vs lewis = 1st fight a draw but it was biggest robbery in boxing lewis deserved it 2nd fight being close with lewis winning 7 rounds to 5
tyrell biggs vs tyson= tyson wins 7th round tko
tyrell biggs vs lewis = lewis wins 3rd round tko
i thought that might help ;D
nice work,BBUUUUUUTTTTT..,.tyson fought tucker in his prime lewis didnt,IMO the tucker of 87 beats lewis UD...what do ya reckon....i fell if there was no mike tyson,tucker would have ruled the division for a long time and became one of the modern greats ;)
Lewis made a career out of fighting guys past their prime.
true dat...cc mucho man ;D
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lucian
Whoa! both of these guys are excellent punchers but i'll give the edge to Mike because he has more assortment of powerful punches.
Lennox's best power punch is that overhand right/straight and a stiff left jab. I also saw him knock guys out with big right uppercuts.
Peace to all :goodpost:
lets do similar opponents
tony tucker vs tyson= ud for tyson
tony tucker vs lewis= ud for lewis but lewis floored him twice
ruddock vs tyson= win 7th round tko wins 12 round ud
ruddock vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
frank bruno vs tyson= tyson wins both fights 5th and 3rd round
bruno vs lewis= lewis wins tko but being behind on my scorecard at the time of the stoppage
golota vs tyson= golota doesnt come out for the 3rd if i remember right so nc
golota vs lewis = lewis destroys him in 1
botha vs tyson= tyson kos him in the 5th but being behind at the time
botha vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
holyfield vs tyson= tyson loses in 11th and again by dq
holyfield vs lewis = 1st fight a draw but it was biggest robbery in boxing lewis deserved it 2nd fight being close with lewis winning 7 rounds to 5
tyrell biggs vs tyson= tyson wins 7th round tko
tyrell biggs vs lewis = lewis wins 3rd round tko
i thought that might help ;D
nice work,BBUUUUUUTTTTT..,.tyson fought tucker in his prime lewis didnt,IMO the tucker of 87 beats lewis UD...what do ya reckon....i fell if there was no mike tyson,tucker would have ruled the division for a long time and became one of the modern greats ;)
Lewis made a career out of fighting guys past their prime.
Partially because nobody wanted to fight Lewis. I saw an interview with Holyfield in a documentary called "The Undisputed Truth". He mentioned that he had great opportunity to fight the champions because everyone (Mainly Bowe and Tyson) was afraid to fight Lewis and promoters and boxer saw him as the lesser opponent. Holyfield was the only one to step up to the plate. After Lewis became champ then everyone wanted to fight him.
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lucian
Whoa! both of these guys are excellent punchers but i'll give the edge to Mike because he has more assortment of powerful punches.
Lennox's best power punch is that overhand right/straight and a stiff left jab. I also saw him knock guys out with big right uppercuts.
Peace to all :goodpost:
lets do similar opponents
tony tucker vs tyson= ud for tyson
tony tucker vs lewis= ud for lewis but lewis floored him twice
ruddock vs tyson= win 7th round tko wins 12 round ud
ruddock vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
frank bruno vs tyson= tyson wins both fights 5th and 3rd round
bruno vs lewis= lewis wins tko but being behind on my scorecard at the time of the stoppage
golota vs tyson= golota doesnt come out for the 3rd if i remember right so nc
golota vs lewis = lewis destroys him in 1
botha vs tyson= tyson kos him in the 5th but being behind at the time
botha vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
holyfield vs tyson= tyson loses in 11th and again by dq
holyfield vs lewis = 1st fight a draw but it was biggest robbery in boxing lewis deserved it 2nd fight being close with lewis winning 7 rounds to 5
tyrell biggs vs tyson= tyson wins 7th round tko
tyrell biggs vs lewis = lewis wins 3rd round tko
i thought that might help ;D
nice work,BBUUUUUUTTTTT..,.tyson fought tucker in his prime lewis didnt,IMO the tucker of 87 beats lewis UD...what do ya reckon....i fell if there was no mike tyson,tucker would have ruled the division for a long time and became one of the modern greats ;)
Lewis made a career out of fighting guys past their prime.
Partially because nobody wanted to fight Lewis. I saw an interview with Holyfield in a documentary called "The Undisputed Truth". He mentioned that he had great opportunity to fight the champions because everyone (Mainly Bowe and Tyson) was afraid to fight Lewis and promoters and boxer saw him as the lesser opponent. Holyfield was the only one to step up to the plate. After Lewis became champ then everyone wanted to fight him.
tyson wasnt afraid,he was set to fight lewis after he unifyed the division and beat holy,but damn holyfield,he destroyed tysons evil plans ;D
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
He also paid lewis "step-aside" money ::**
In regards to the comment about Lewis making a career fight over the hill fighters....
Tyson made his career fighting Bums... Old bums... On crack! ;D
Not that he didnt do boxing the world of good back in the 80's but still, an old smack head waster is nothing but so 8)
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For one shot power I think Lewis, For technique Tyson
Agreed ;)
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He also paid lewis "step-aside" money ::**
In regards to the comment about Lewis making a career fight over the hill fighters....
Tyson made his career fighting Bums... Old bums... On crack! ;D
Not that he didnt do boxing the world of good back in the 80's but still, an old smack head waster is nothing but so 8)
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For one shot power I think Lewis, For technique Tyson
Agreed ;)
Still waiting for the proof on tyson paying lewis off....
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
Phhf, and who are you? Tyson's Solicitor? ^-^
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
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It's not about how hard you punch - there are loads of huge punchers who never made it to World Champion. In the 70's there was a light-heavy called Bob Satterfield who people reckon punched harder that any heavy who ever lived. Trouble was, he couls be outboxed and had a weakish chin.
The punch that knocks you cold is the one you don't see coming, Tyson did this with blinding hand speed and good combination punching, in his prime. Lewis did it by cleverly disguising his KO punches as part of his style. It was Tyson who had the gift of producing the eye catching knockout, and he will no doubt be on more 'highlights' clips than Lewis in the future.
I definitely don't agree that these two are possibly the hardest punchers ever - that's silly and just seems like the usual revisionism of thinking that today's fighters are better in every aspect than any who have gone before, just because we have videos now (or some such bullshit)
The old bareknuckle fighters would not have punched with the same brute force as today's guys because they would have broken their hands, but that's not to say that if you put John L. or Jess Willard in 10oz gloves, they would punch any less hard that Chris Byrd or Wlad Kitschko (say)
I think the hardest punchers are those that hurt their opponents even when they saw the punch coming, or if the blow was off target and hit their arms. Tyson and Lewis did not Kayo people by bulldozing them, it was technique.
Apocryphally, opponents have commented that Max Bear, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Rocky Marciano, Cleveland Williams, Jess Willard, Sonny Liston (in no order or anything, and to just name a few) could hit you anywhere and it would cause damage, or could just punch right through your defense.
There have been notable Kayo kings (Tyson, Frazier, Louis etc) with fantastic knockout records but these were the result of their combination punches, brutal finishing, pressure etc rather than oure unadulterated one punch power. This does not diminish their effectiveness as fighters.
Another thing to remember is how much more we see the referee stopping fights and awarding a TKO nowadays. That tells me that the opponent has not been blasted into unconsciousness, whereas and old-time ref was much more likely to let the fight continue until someone could not (or would not) get up. Granted, the heavier gloves used now also diminish some of the power from today's fighters.
I am not expert enough to have the answer, but it's a complicated enough question, with enough variables that it is not so easy as just looking at someone's KO (or TKO) stats etc.
Just to be controversial, I think that if Lewis and Tyson both did the 'Ivan Drago' test and punched some machine once, Lewis would hit it harder. This is because he was 6'5" and around 19 stone whereas Tyson was 5'10" and around 15.5 stone. BUT, in the ring, Tysons devastating pressure, offensive speed and combination punches make him a much more scary proposition in the early rounds than Lennox.
Only my opinions, of course, guys.
Of course guys didn't punch as hard thats silly.... These guys are much stronger today especially in the case of Tyson and Lennox and they have better technical components to their punches. Also I said they were the hardest punches of the last 20 years, and PERHAPS ever.
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The bigger person will always throw the harder punch unless they have a jacked up stance. Who was more effective with their power was no doubt tyson. He had better speed and technique. You have to be either really strong or really skilled to make it as an undersized heavy and tyson was both. Could a prime tyson beat Vitali in an equally impressive fashion? The size advantage would be insane and i'm not sure. He'd atleast give him a run for his money.
All-time most impressive puncher has to be marciano. Throwing out all the boxing stuff (highest ko ratio all-time, only heavyweight champ to retire undefeated, horrible at best boxing technique), look at the stats of his punches. When measured, there was as much energy (energy= force force= massXacceleration) behind his punch as an armor piercing bullet meaning if bullets were made at the size of his fist, he could put as much force behind them as a gun built to shot those bullets. That's enough of a force to send a 1,000 pound weight 1 foot into the air.
When a former sparring partner of both marciano and louis was interviewed he said louis hurts you with very brutal combos but marciano does the same if not more damage with one punch.
Marciano never fought any real competition. He is a like a smaller version of Mike Tyson who if he hit you would be the equivalent of you getting hit by a car going 50mph.
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X good post, but looking at it as you would yourself. I think on the hole tyson punched harder
I think Lewis might hit a bag harder, but Tyson had better technique and balance - not to mention speed, so i think he would hit a person harder in the ring.
lol prime Lennox was very fast, and though he couldn't throw combinations as fast as Tyson his individual punches were as quick especially his straight punches, and his punching technique was very solid, and if his technque wasn't as good he wouldn't be able to hit the bag as hard as Tyson. People look at Lewis 6'5 240 pounds then Mike Tyson prime who was 5'10 220ish, and they say look how much bigger Lennox is... well Mike had alot lower center of gravity, and in terms of compact size he is easily bigger that Lennox in terms of weight to height ratio, and he was probably as strong because of this... seven inches of height and only 20 pounds heavier means that Lennox would be alot skinnier.
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Phhf, and who are you? Tyson's Solicitor? ^-^
who are you, lennox lewis jock strap? :-*
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Whoa! both of these guys are excellent punchers but i'll give the edge to Mike because he has more assortment of powerful punches.
Lennox's best power punch is that overhand right/straight and a stiff left jab. I also saw him knock guys out with big right uppercuts.
Peace to all :goodpost:
lets do similar opponents
tony tucker vs tyson= ud for tyson
tony tucker vs lewis= ud for lewis but lewis floored him twice
ruddock vs tyson= win 7th round tko wins 12 round ud
ruddock vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
frank bruno vs tyson= tyson wins both fights 5th and 3rd round
bruno vs lewis= lewis wins tko but being behind on my scorecard at the time of the stoppage
golota vs tyson= golota doesnt come out for the 3rd if i remember right so nc
golota vs lewis = lewis destroys him in 1
botha vs tyson= tyson kos him in the 5th but being behind at the time
botha vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2
holyfield vs tyson= tyson loses in 11th and again by dq
holyfield vs lewis = 1st fight a draw but it was biggest robbery in boxing lewis deserved it 2nd fight being close with lewis winning 7 rounds to 5
tyrell biggs vs tyson= tyson wins 7th round tko
tyrell biggs vs lewis = lewis wins 3rd round tko
i thought that might help ;D
Ok, good job with the list HOWEVER, lets read into this list alittle more shall we???
tony tucker vs tyson= ud for tyson (tyson fought him in 87 when tucker was 29”)
tony tucker vs lewis= ud for lewis but lewis floored him twice (he was 35 yrs old, lennox fought him in 93’)
HOWEVER!!, Bruce seldon, herbie hide, and John Ruiz all Ko’d tony tucker, something that tyson and lewis did not do. Does this mean they are harder punchers than lewis and tyson?
ruddock vs tyson= win 7th round tko wins 12 round ud (tyson fought him in 91)
ruddock vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2 (lewis fought him in 92)
frank bruno vs tyson= tyson wins both fights 5th and 3rd round ( tyson fought him in 89 when bruno was 28, and them when bruno was 35. But wait?!?!, tyson knocked him out in earlier rounds the second time around,)
bruno vs lewis= lewis wins tko but being behind on my scorecard at the time of the stoppage (what does being behind on the scorecards at the time of the knockout have anything to do with power)
golota vs tyson= golota doesnt come out for the 3rd if i remember right so nc
golota vs lewis = lewis destroys him in 1
Lewis finaly fights someone before tyson did, HOWEVER lamon brewster ko’d golota in the first round of their fight. Does Lamon brewster have more or the same power as lewis? Even WORSE, does brewster have MORE power than tyson? Tsk tsk tsk,
botha vs tyson= tyson kos him in the 5th but being behind at the time(tyson fights botha in 99’ when botha was 31)
botha vs lewis= lewis destroys him in 2( lewis fights botha in 00’)
holyfield vs tyson= tyson loses in 11th and again by dq
holyfield vs lewis = 1st fight a draw but it was biggest robbery in boxing lewis deserved it 2nd fight being close with lewis winning 7 rounds to 5
This doesn’t explain power at all, neither one ko’d holyfield
tyrell biggs vs tyson= tyson wins 7th round tko (tyson fights biggs in 87 when biggs was 27)
tyrell biggs vs lewis = lewis wins 3rd round tko (lewis fights biggs in 91’ when bigs was 31)
Also, Tyrell biggs was ko’d by larry donald in the 2 round, does that mean he is more powerfull than tyson AND lennox lewis? Don’t forget Ray Anis, who knocked out tyrell biggs in the 3rd, I guess that means he has the SAME power as lennox lewis, and is stronger than mike tyson right?.
You just can’t compare the opponents of the two, and look at knock out rounds. A lot of things can come into play, training, age, previous beat downs…..
If anything, all but 1 guy that was knocked out by the two was beatin by tyson FIRST. Who knows what happens to a guy after getting KO’d by a guy like mike tyson.
Re: Who punched harder Lewis or Tyson?
I have to agree with you there, but i also have to say that it doesn't neccesarily work the other way neither.
What round you knock a guy out in just doesn't determin the power of any single punch.
