It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II

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Originally Posted by Vessel

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I'm surprised and disapointed with some of you. Peter won the first fight legit? Thats fukin news to me!!! BIG NEWS!!!
The way I saw it, Toney clearly won the damn fight, never went down, never came close to going down ONCE, let alone THREE damn times like someone we know did. And Toney fought the big puncher like a man, and pounded Peter. I like both guys, but Peter won maybe 4 rounds, which is pretty good, but hardly winnin the fight. My prediction for the second fight is Toney by decision. But if Toney comes in grossly obese and arrogant, knowing that he's already beaten Peter once and been robbed, he may be KO'd. But I highly doubt it. Toney by decision, should be Unanimous, but knowin the bitch judges, it'll be a SD.

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Let me clearly state that I had James winning the first fight by a wide margin, his jab was tap dancing on on Peters eye.

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I agree completely. Toney's jab was very accurate...I had him winning by 3 rounds so maybe not as wide a margin as you saw. A rematch was more than justifiable.

Wacko3205 said.....
Here's my issues with Toney... he got fat & tried to pass himself off as a heavyweight...he's not a heavyweight...he's just fat & mouthy.

I can't stand his a**... at heavyweight.

As a super middle he was impressive now...he's just a loud mouth. I have no respect for him at this weight

Please note* i cut the above quote down a bit. look back to see the full quote(s)

He's not a heavyweight? huh?
Dude he broke 200 pounds in May of 1996! Against Richard Mason!
Thats 11 years ago!!! Thats 10 pounds OVER the Cruiser limit of 190
He HAS to have weight to deal with these big guys!
Can you imagine having Ruiz at 241 hangin all over you and holding you and clutchin and leaning and pushin, if he out weighed you by say 50 pounds! It would be Insane!
Tried??? to pass himself off as.......a heavyweight. dude thats just disrepectful!
I'm sorry, I really just dont get it!?
Of all the heavy's out there he's taken on the best of the bunch

--Jirov for the IBF cruiserweight Title Remember Jirov was 31-0!
that gave him the credability to go for a title (and BIG$) at heavy
--Evander Holyfield for only his second TKO in his career! something that
Foreman,Holmes,Moorer,Mercer,Tyson twice and Lewis twice COULDN"T DO!
and the only other time took bowe at 6'5" 3 tries inc one loss and a draw!
--Rydell Booker at 22-0 to gain the IBA HW belt,WBC Continental Americas HW belt, which was the WBC elimination bout.
--John Ruiz by Unanimous decision for the WBA and IBA belt
(later ruled a no contest)
--Dominic Guinn 25-2 (an IBA manditory)
--Hasim Rahman who had just beat Monte Barrett for the belt, for the WBC belt ,a majority draw most people felt Toney won
--Then,and now again Samuel Peters "the Nightmare" at 257 pounds! (for the IBA and NABF belts and the WBC eliminator) most people felt Toney took Peter to school.
Regardless of the disputed and controversial outcomes, if this is "Passing himself off" as a Heavyweight I wish the rest of the division would do some of that kind of passing!! Man come on! give the guy some props!
Cockyness is part of who the guy is. It gives him the balls at 5'9" (if that) to go up against these monsters. he's a slick smart pure boxer who's showing the world and the heavyweight division that Boxing isnt about size and brute strength, It's still the "SWEET SCIENCE!" and real "boxing" fans should be cheering the guy on. If you don't like Toney. Then you HAVE to love Valuev! cuz he's trying to prove the opposite!

Alright wacko i'm gonna do something really dangerous and try to understand your logic.

You have an intense dislike for toney at heavyweight when he is obviously the most skilled fighter in the division yet you rally behind the missing link because you think cavemen should have equal rights in boxing as well.

Toney beat ruiz very capably. And don't give me that he was on steroids crap. it was to treat a right arm (bicep?) muscle injury and it just so happened to be a banned substance in boxing. Prior to that the man has been clean his entire career and held titles at many other weight classes without the help of a chemical boost. After 60+ some fights i doubt he'd be looking for an easy way out. He should rightfully be the wba champion.

Let's move on to the modern day wba champion. He's 7'3" and has the mobility of an elephant with arthritic knees. His excessive reach is more than enough to handle the bums he's been in the ring with. He arguably didn't beat ruiz despite his huge height advantage but thanks to the home town advantage, he got the decision. His leaning on other fighters is down right pitiful. He should not be allowed to lay on his opponents until they gas out. Boxing success is supposed to be measured by hard work in the gym to develop superior skills not just being so huge that you can tire people out with your size.

Conclusion: the wba is losing credibility at the heavyweight division and with the wbc not too far behind (ranking a man that has fought nothing but bums with an 18-4 record, i saw somewhere list it as 18-8 prior to the match, in the top 25 of the division is an absolute joke), it's slowly becoming a one legit belt race with the ibf belt which is thankfully in the hands of the "best" boxer the division can offer at this current time who has fought the "best" opposition available for him. As for trying to understand wacko's logic, it cannot be done from a sober standpoint.

toney goona get KTFO and start another riot

Peter by UD. 8)

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Originally Posted by landmine950

Wacko3205 said.....
Here's my issues with Toney... he got fat & tried to pass himself off as a heavyweight...he's not a heavyweight...he's just fat & mouthy.

I can't stand his a**... at heavyweight.

As a super middle he was impressive now...he's just a loud mouth. I have no respect for him at this weight

Please note* i cut the above quote down a bit. look back to see the full quote(s)

He's not a heavyweight? huh?
Dude he broke 200 pounds in May of 1996! Against Richard Mason!
Thats 11 years ago!!! Thats 10 pounds OVER the Cruiser limit of 190
He HAS to have weight to deal with these big guys!
Can you imagine having Ruiz at 241 hangin all over you and holding you and clutchin and leaning and pushin, if he out weighed you by say 50 pounds! It would be Insane!
Tried??? to pass himself off as.......a heavyweight. dude thats just disrepectful!
I'm sorry, I really just dont get it!?
Of all the heavy's out there he's taken on the best of the bunch

--Jirov for the IBF cruiserweight Title Remember Jirov was 31-0!
that gave him the credability to go for a title (and BIG$) at heavy
--Evander Holyfield for only his second TKO in his career! something that
Foreman,Holmes,Moorer,Mercer,Tyson twice and Lewis twice COULDN"T DO!
and the only other time took bowe at 6'5" 3 tries inc one loss and a draw!
--Rydell Booker at 22-0 to gain the IBA HW belt,WBC Continental Americas HW belt, which was the WBC elimination bout.
--John Ruiz by Unanimous decision for the WBA and IBA belt
(later ruled a no contest)
--Dominic Guinn 25-2 (an IBA manditory)
--Hasim Rahman who had just beat Monte Barrett for the belt, for the WBC belt ,a majority draw most people felt Toney won
--Then,and now again Samuel Peters "the Nightmare" at 257 pounds! (for the IBA and NABF belts and the WBC eliminator) most people felt Toney took Peter to school.
Regardless of the disputed and controversial outcomes, if this is "Passing himself off" as a Heavyweight I wish the rest of the division would do some of that kind of passing!! Man come on! give the guy some props!
Cockyness is part of who the guy is. It gives him the balls at 5'9" (if that) to go up against these monsters. he's a slick smart pure boxer who's showing the world and the heavyweight division that Boxing isnt about size and brute strength, It's still the "SWEET SCIENCE!" and real "boxing" fans should be cheering the guy on. If you don't like Toney. Then you HAVE to love Valuev! cuz he's trying to prove the opposite!

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He has not beaten a legit heavyweight to date. Period. There's no rationalizing logic or pointing out dates...it can't be done. Holy was there to be beaten, yes he beat Ruiz & yes he was on steroids when he did it, Booker (dope fend & a blown up cruiser) & Quinn...please...total underacheiver, & then Peter who is one of the most unrefined heavies out there...he couldn't even beat him.

Did you really bring up Rahman?

Anywho...it's my opinion of Toney that he is a fantastic fighter...but not at 200lbs.

He needs to stop proclaiming to be that which he is not...the savior of the division. He's just a fat blowhard.

Now...when he comes in to fight & he's in shape & he shows out & wins convincingly against a legit heavy...I'll be impressed. Until then...I'll view him as a fat mouthy blown up super middle...because that's when I respected him...but that was then & this is now.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Alright wacko i'm gonna do something really dangerous and try to understand your logic.

You have an intense dislike for toney at heavyweight when he is obviously the most skilled fighter in the division yet you rally behind the missing link because you think cavemen should have equal rights in boxing as well.


As for trying to understand wacko's logic, it cannot be done from a sober standpoint.

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Ha ha ha ha. You are really reaching. I rally behind the missing link.

Let's dispense with this one upping of Wacko really quick. I'm as entitled to my opinion as the next man...just because it aint in line with yours or landmine's up there don't make it anymore right or wrong as the next man.

The thing is...Punisher...opinions don't always equate to logic & while you two seem to be struggling to get me over to your side...your'e both failing & you keep missing the point.

I have said time & time again that Toney is one of the most skilled fighters in the game...but he just aint convincing me at heavy.

When he beats a legit contender & does it well...then I will applaude him.

But for some reason...you two can't recognize that fact.

I'm not a Toney fan...& having a couple of rabid Toney fans trying to break my logic...well...I find that quite amusing.

Reason being...he looked like shit against Rahman, he had to take steroids to beat Ruiz, & he got beaten by a one trick poney when he fought Sam Peter.

The great James Toney...& Sam Peter went 12 with him. Come on. ::**

Don't try to wax intellectual with me about this...because your logic's just as wacko was you both keep preaching mine is. :-*

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Peter by UD. 8)

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I'd pass on wishing for two front teeth for that outcome.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Peter by UD. 8)

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I'd pass on wishing for two front teeth for that outcome.

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It's not like you need them ???
Whats wrong with'a ones you have?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Peter by UD. 8)

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I'd pass on wishing for two front teeth for that outcome.

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It's not like you need them ???
Whats wrong with'a ones you have?

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Gotdam...that's either Beetlejuice or the fwockin Hunchback...either way...it's fwockin deeeeeeeeeee-scustin!

I'm just saying toney's done more than valuev at heavyweight like beating ruiz. And please don't couple my thinking process with the man that thinks chris byrd would outbox ali prime for prime. :'(

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I'm just saying toney's done more than valuev at heavyweight like beating ruiz.

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Then say that...instead doing something stupid like trying to big up yourself with something that clearly aint true.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

And please don't couple my thinking process with the man that thinks chris byrd would outbox ali prime for prime. :'(

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Hey...if it barks like a duck...oh well. ;) ;D

I love Toney and really want him to win, but I can't help shake the naggin feeling that this is going to be his last fight, and that he may even get stopped.

I so hope I'm wrong though, I love the guy, he's my favourite fighter by a mile, love all his smack talk and the way he's the most skilful guy out there despite looking like a black Butterbean.

I'm worried for him in this fight though. Age may catch up wth him.

And all this Billy Blanks talk, I'll admit I've never heard of him but Billy Blanks is hardly a credible sounding name is it? It's on the same level as Powerpuncher or Baller27 in terms of name appeal I think :-\

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Originally Posted by bilbo

I love Toney and really want him to win, but I can't help shake the naggin feeling that this is going to be his last fight, and that he may even get stopped.

I so hope I'm wrong though, I love the guy, he's my favourite fighter by a mile, love all his smack talk and the way he's the most skilful guy out there despite looking like a black Butterbean.

I'm worried for him in this fight though. Age may catch up wth him.

And all this Billy Blanks talk, I'll admit I've never heard of him but Billy Blanks is hardly a credible sounding name is it? It's on the same level as Powerpuncher or Baller27 in terms of name appeal I think :-\

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You crack me up bro....I hadn't thought about Billy Blanks, just assumed it was one of those funny American names. Personally, I think age started catching up with Toney a while ago, but while I don't see that Toney has the capacity to improve greatly to beat Peter, while I think that Peter is an improving fighter, and I can only see a more conclusive verdict going the way of the 'Nigerian Nightmare'. As for his trash talking...what's wrong with bringing a bit of dignity and civility to boxing? Didn't ever hurt the Klitshko's.

If it barks like a duck, drinks like a fish, and supports the rights of cavemen in sports everywhere, It's probably wacko.

I would pay good $$ to see J-Fat in one of Billy Blanks Tae-Bo videos. Close your eyes an imagine James Toney in the cardio room of your local gym, the only man, doing Tae-Bo. Saturday Night Live needs to do that as a skit.