Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
Majesty
Spot on man, PBF delivered and proved us all wrong.
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There's a huge flaw in using the first Castillo fight as the big example of how to beat Mayweather. That line of reasoning assumes that the 2002 version of Mayweather is the same as the 2007 version. And that's not true.
His defense is better, his straight right hand is much better. His ability to work off the ropes is better.
The things that Castillo did to give Mayweather problems don't work as well now as they used to.
If you'd asked me on that night in 2002 if Floyd could move up and win titles at 147, I probably would have said no.
Yet he has moved up successfully and won titles, and it's because he's made a lot of improvements and is a much better fighter now than he was then.
I'm not saying that is the way to beat PBF, I'm saying PBF is not unbeatble people throw names out in the air of fighters hes beat look at the names and tell me the names are the best that are/were around?
The JLC fight shows that PBF is beatable so when I commented earlier on a Cotto-PBF fight and said how woudl it go?
The answer I got from Majesty was plain and simple as if it had already happened or it was a 100% defenitive answer.
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I'll give you one, imagine Cotto being dominated.
Then you have that fight
My answer to that was
Easier said then done.
So you see my arguement was that PBF would not complete dominate Cotto and my arguement surged with saying that the JLC fight was my fav. performace of his. Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
And I agree about the PBF of 2002 vs. PBF of 2007 are not the same, but isn't it also unfair to say that PBF would beat Cotto cause hes beat fighters that are somewhat like Cotto? I read that all the time.....
Or that PBF would beat Margarito cause PBF beat N'dou and Margarito is similar to N'dou...... The street runs both ways......
Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.
But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?
Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.
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Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.
But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?
He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:
And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.
But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?
He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:
Maybe not on a PFP basis.
But Floyd has moved up to face bigger stronger fighters.
Judah or Baldomir would both be heavily favored against Castillo.
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PBF is beatable...But Hatton,Cotto,Margo,DLH,Mosley cant do it.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.
But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?
He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:
And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.
CC#1456 El Gamo, very well said.....
He hasn't struggled but who has he fought? A blown up Welter in Sharmba?
Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
RJJ said "they say I didnt fight nobody...I just made em look like nobody"
Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
P4P wise,none of those guys are anywhere near as skilled as JLC.End of. None were as strong,intelligent,agressive and warrior like. Floyd has been HEAVY favourite against everyone he has fought at 140 and 147 because he has not taken any risks like he did with JLC.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC Mick.Great points all the way through the thread.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Indicating that he has struggled before and would not dominate Cotto.
I thought your point was everyone can be beaten. But thats basically it.
But U do ask, who has Floyd struggled with since that fight?
He hasn't struggled with anyone since then but let me turn that around...who has been as good as Castillo? Certainly not Gatti,Baldomir,Brusseles etc. Dang that's a good point I made ;D ;D ;D :D 8) O0 :lickish:
And there' no basis for saying Floyd would dominate Cotto just because he has beaten some of these other guys. He has not fought anyone anywhere near Cotto's level at 140/147.
CC#1456 El Gamo, very well said.....
He hasn't struggled but who has he fought? A blown up Welter in Sharmba?
EXACTLY dude.
Re: Is the Prince of Puerto Rico ready to step in and become the king
Talkin about Floyds competition...who has Cotto,Margo,spinks,hatton,etc...fought?
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Talkin about Floyds competition...who has Cotto,Margo,spinks,hatton,etc...fought?
It's not really the issue here because they don't call themselves the GOAT of all time,they don't badmouth legends and they have taken risks in the last 2 years or so. Also,if you're considered P4P number 1,you are obviously going to be scrutinised more.
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P4P wise,none of those guys are anywhere near as skilled as JLC.End of. None were as strong,intelligent,agressive and warrior like.
Right, that's what I said.
But fights aren't fought in a mythical PFP basis.
Castillo is better than Baldomir or Judah PFP-wise, but not in a real-weights sense.
Like I said, if Castillo were to fight Baldomir or Judah at 147 (like Floyd did) Castillo would be a significant underdog in both of those fights.
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It jus seems to me that anyone with over 20 wins and less than 6 losses with a big time promoter can call Floyd out...and if he doesnt except their challenge he is dodging them or picking weak competition.They need to put some names on their resume before they get a shot at Floyd.
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It jus seems to me that anyone with over 20 wins and less than 6 losses with a big time promoter can call Floyd out...and if he doesnt except their challenge he is dodging them or picking weak competition.They need to put some names on their resume before they get a shot at Floyd.
Who do you think Floyd should fight in late '07 (assuming he beats Oscar)?
You've stated Mosley doesn't deserve it. Who has the names on the resume to warrant a shot after DLH?
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He already has expressed that he wants to fight Hatton...so I think its a done deal.I'd like to see Mosley vs Cotto and Margo vs Berto and the winners take on each other...and who ever comes out on top take on Floyd.
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He already has expressed that he wants to fight Hatton...
Do you think Hatton is more worthy of a title shot at 147 than Mosley? Do you think he's a more dangerous opponent than Mosley?
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I'd like to see Mosley vs Cotto and Margo vs Berto and the winners take on each other...and who ever comes out on top take on Floyd.
Ok, but while this all plays out, Floyd is sitting around doing nothing. If you want all these fights to happen, they're not all going to be done until next year. Floyd needs an opponent for late '07. There isn't time to have all these contenders eliminate each other.
