Re: Which current active fighter has a more sound legacy than PBF?
People talk about the names he has on his legacy?
I know there are many comments "What about the names he shoulda had? "
Hatton or Cotto or Tszyu at 140 ? - it's easy to blame the boxer(s) but most reasons are actually down to the TV companies.
Kostya's team (Vlad Wharton) tried to make Mayweather or Gatti fight - but it was Kostya's 3 fight deal with showtime which put the whole thing on ice - Hatton was the first of the 3 fights, which at the time, people wondered why Kostya would accept it, but it basically was a career-high purse and a great challenge.
That left the 2 remaining fighters in Gatti & Floyd to duke it out - a fight, stylistically, which Arturo was never going to fair very well in. But that is not the issue here - it was both fighter's paymasters HBO which wrapped the deal up.
With regards Miguel Cotto, Arum would retain him for another day rather than plonk him at the deep end with a fighter like Mayweather, whom at the time, was far more polished.
I think Floyd has to take a little critiscm for some opponents (Brussles) but in fairness hasn't done too badly !
Sometimes we let our personal opinions on someone cloud how good they are, hence some of the flak Floyd recieves.
Me personally, i'm glad he's in the sport as he adds a great angle to any division - but his style of fighting, as stunning as it can me - does not give me goosebumps i'm afraid.
Gimme a mexican any day. Barrera V Marquez anyone? ;D
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I never quite understand these questionable decisions Oscar has had in his favor
Whitaker, Quartey and Sturm are the three questionable decisions in his favor. He easily could have lost all 3. I thought the Quartey one may have been the worst of the 3. Ike clearly won 7 rounds and completely dominated DLH for a large portion of the fight.
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He was blatantly robbed against Trinidad in what has to be the worst decision of the 90's
I wouldn't go that far.
Whitaker-Chavez and Lewis-Holyfield I were both much worse decisions.
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I never quite understand these questionable decisions Oscar has had in his favor
Whitaker, Quartey and Sturm are the three questionable decisions in his favor. He easily could have lost all 3. I thought the Quartey one may have been the worst of the 3. Ike clearly won 7 rounds and completely dominated DLH for a large portion of the fight.
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He was blatantly robbed against Trinidad in what has to be the worst decision of the 90's
I wouldn't go that far.
Whitaker-Chavez and Lewis-Holyfield I were both much worse decisions.
Ok, one of the three worst decisions of the 90's! Then again I thought Holyfield won the second Lewis fight! I didn't score a round to Lewis in that one until round 9! ( I must have had way to many beers that night) DLH v Whitaker and Sturm were both line ball. Having said all that DLH has fought the best and win or lose his legacy is assured, PBF has a bit to do yet.
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Having said all that DLH has fought the best and win or lose his legacy is assured, PBF has a bit to do yet.
Agree completely. Oscar can throw his list of opponents up against anyone's. I've never been a big fan of Oscar, but he's always had my respect, because he's spent an entire decade fighting the best of the best.
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If wer'e talking about any weight class...currently I say that it'd have to be either Wright, Wlad Klitschko, Oscar, or Hopkins.
Losses or not...they have damned fine legacy's. You don't always have to reign undefeated to be the man.
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If wer'e talking about any weight class...currently I say that it'd have to be either Wright, Wlad Klitschko, Oscar, or Hopkins.
Losses or not...they have damned fine legacy's. You don't always have to reign undefeated to be the man.
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That's exactly what the f*** I'm talking about.
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How in the world is Wlad's legacy better than Floyd's????????????????????????????
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How in the world is Wlad's legacy better than Floyd's????????????????????????????
That's what the f*** I'm talking about too. ;)
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Floyd is gonna retire undefeated and he is dominant which accounts for something.Its not his fault that the there aren't many elite fighters in his division.He fought all of the people he was suppose to fight,other than mosley(who declined a mayweather fight on 3 seperate occasions...period.Lets get serious..a fight with Cotto,Margo,and anyone else who calls him out is not going to affect his legacy.How is Wright and Hopkins legacy greater than Floyds??????????
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Floyd is gonna retire undefeated and he is dominant which accounts for something.Its not his fault that the there aren't many elite fighters in his division.He fought all of the people he was suppose to fight,other than mosley(who declined a mayweather fight on 3 seperate occasions...period.Lets get serious..a fight with Cotto,Margo,and anyone else who calls him out is not going to affect his legacy.How is Wright and Hopkins legacy greater than Floyds??????????
Hopkins 20 defenses of the Middleweight title for ten years might have something to do with it!
Floyd is well off the mark at present and beating DLH will not be enough. He needs to unify the 147lb division in the the next 18 months. There is a huge chunk of unfinished business yet to accomplish for Floyd. If he loses to Cotto, Margo and Mosley his legacy is greatly affected. I don't think he would lose to those guys so nothing should get in his way of setting himself for a great boxing legacy.
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Floyd is gonna retire undefeated and he is dominant which accounts for something.Its not his fault that the there aren't many elite fighters in his division.He fought all of the people he was suppose to fight,other than mosley(who declined a mayweather fight on 3 seperate occasions...period.Lets get serious..a fight with Cotto,Margo,and anyone else who calls him out is not going to affect his legacy.How is Wright and Hopkins legacy greater than Floyds??????????
I don't think much of Hopkins either cause I think he milked his title without taking any serious challenges so it could have been 40 straight wins and I'm not going to be impressed if it's not against elite competition (from his own weight class).
I mean c'mon, how many people are doggin Valuev for not fighting elite competition? And Floyd is suposed to get a free pass why? Oh that's right, cause he has a big a** mouth.
You're speaking like a fan of a fighter and not a fan of the sport. A real fan wants to see real fights against real competition. He hasn't fought the best on the way up so all those paper titles in different weight classes are not as meaningful as you're making them out to be.
Oh and did say there it's not his fault there aren't aby real challenges at his weight. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. WW is the most loaded division in boxing followed by MW right now.
Get your posts together.
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I mean c'mon, how many people are doggin Valuev for not fighting elite competition? And Floyd is suposed to get a free pass why?
Floyd's opposition is open for criticism, just like anyone else's. And I agree with people who think that Floyd's opposition deserves extra examination because he is #1 PFP.
But let's not try to compare Floyd with Valuev. There is no comparison. Valuev had fought NOBODY until just recently. And his best opponent ever is John Ruiz, who is a total stiff.
Even if you don't like Floyd's opponents, they're light years better than Valuev's opponents.
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I mean c'mon, how many people are doggin Valuev for not fighting elite competition? And Floyd is suposed to get a free pass why?
Floyd's opposition is open for criticism, just like anyone else's. And I agree with people who think that Floyd's opposition deserves extra examination because he is #1 PFP.
But let's not try to compare Floyd with Valuev. There is no comparison. Valuev had fought NOBODY until just recently. And his best opponent ever is John Ruiz, who is a total stiff.
Even if you don't like Floyd's opponents, they're light years better than Valuev's opponents.
What I'm saying is that people wanna see Valuev in there with a real threat before he breaks the record just like people wanna see Floyd take some chances before he retires.
Not a valid point?
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I mean c'mon, how many people are doggin Valuev for not fighting elite competition? And Floyd is suposed to get a free pass why?
Floyd's opposition is open for criticism, just like anyone else's. And I agree with people who think that Floyd's opposition deserves extra examination because he is #1 PFP.
But let's not try to compare Floyd with Valuev. There is no comparison. Valuev had fought NOBODY until just recently. And his best opponent ever is John Ruiz, who is a total stiff.
Even if you don't like Floyd's opponents, they're light years better than Valuev's opponents.
What I'm saying is that people wanna see Valuev in there with a real threat before he breaks the record just like people wanna see Floyd take some chances before he retires.
Not a valid point?
Bx, let me correct myself. I didn't read all the way thru Olympian's post at first, which is the one you were responding to with your last post. After reading thru the posts again, I see what you were trying to say.
I disagree with Olympian's statement that Floyd's future opponents (Cotto, for example) won't have any affect on his legacy, that's completely not true. Floyd's next 4 or 5 fights will have a HUGE affect on his legacy. Right now, Floyd is just the best fighter of the moment, but not yet an all-time great. If he beats Oscar, Shane, Cotto, and a couple other good fighters over the next 2 to 3 years, that's increases his legacy a ton.
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I mean c'mon, how many people are doggin Valuev for not fighting elite competition? And Floyd is suposed to get a free pass why?
Floyd's opposition is open for criticism, just like anyone else's. And I agree with people who think that Floyd's opposition deserves extra examination because he is #1 PFP.
But let's not try to compare Floyd with Valuev. There is no comparison. Valuev had fought NOBODY until just recently. And his best opponent ever is John Ruiz, who is a total stiff.
Even if you don't like Floyd's opponents, they're light years better than Valuev's opponents.
What I'm saying is that people wanna see Valuev in there with a real threat before he breaks the record just like people wanna see Floyd take some chances before he retires.
Not a valid point?
Bx, let me correct myself. I didn't read all the way thru Olympian's post at first, which is the one you were responding to with your last post. After reading thru the posts again, I see what you were trying to say.
I disagree with Olympian's statement that Floyd's future opponents (Cotto, for example) won't have any affect on his legacy, that's completely not true. Floyd's next 4 or 5 fights will have a HUGE affect on his legacy. Right now, Floyd is just the best fighter of the moment, but not yet an all-time great. If he beats Oscar, Shane, Cotto, and a couple other good fighters over the next 2 to 3 years, that's increases his legacy a ton.
Sure Cotto is good but he just isnt on mayweathers level.Mayweather wanted to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions...an for personal reasons mosley decided to take other paths.Mayweather is more than likely gonna fight Hatton after DLH...but be serious..what other welterweights are there???Other than Mosley they arent elite.It just so happens that his division isnt stacked with elite fighters...who's fault is that?You cant honestly expect him to fight Margo,Cotto,Williams,Berto just because they are the "best of the welterweight division"...
Cotto-people think he could KO Floyd?Explain why this fight should happen...because his stock definitly went down since his last 2 fights.
