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I gave Marquez at least one of the first 3. Maybe 2. There's no way MAB made a clean sweep of the first 3 rounds. He kept the exchanges to a minimum but he was getting the worst of the exchanges even then.
Yup. I scored the first 3 rounds 2-1 for Barrera. Of course the argument could be made that there were an abundance of swing rounds that were left to the deficient interpretive skills of the Haldol patients on a day pass from a psychiatric facility that they had the nerve to call 'judges'. ::**
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy shit.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
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Some Judges never just go on punch stats though ;)
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy shit.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Very well said :appl:
Last night MAB earned my respect.... I still can't for the better part of me understand HOW IN THE FWOCK! MAB did not go down after that right hand.....
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Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement. ::** ::** :'(
CC. Great post. This is the first fight I've seen that could have been helped by open scoring. That way MAB would have at least known he had to actually knock the guy out who he appeared to be beating (or neck and neck with, honestly). Instant replay too, obviously.
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Also--I haven't seen it mentioned here, but JMM made a "WTF" face when Michael Buffer started reading the scores (i.e., when the numbers were announced, but prior to saying who won).
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Barrera landed about 7 more total punches and around 40 less power punches. How does that back up your claim that MAB won or landed the cleaner punches? You point out that Marquez misses alot yet punch-stats have him landing at a higher % than MAB.
If MAB won it would've been with the jab and ring generalship. Marquez was clearly the harder, sharper, more effective power-puncher.
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Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Barrera landed about 7 more total punches and around 40 less power punches. How does that back up your claim that MAB won or landed the cleaner punches? You point out that Marquez misses alot yet punch-stats have him landing at a higher % than MAB.
If MAB won it would've been with the jab and ring generalship. Marquez was clearly the harder, sharper, more effective power-puncher.
Can't find the compubox analysis anywhere on the web. However, I do remember that Barrera had the edge in the numbers. Barrera's punches were cleaner and more effective as evidenced by JMM's face at the end of the fight. I'm not taking anything away from Marquez; he's an amazing boxer and I take my hat off to him.
However, did he do enough to dethrone Barrera? I think not. Barrera effectively blocked many of the punches that Marquez threw. My only gripe with Barrera's performance was that he wasn't as sharp with his counter punching as I would have liked and he didn't establish a dominate jab early on in the bout.
Both fighters were tactically flawed throughout portions of the bout, but that's what makes the sport so interesting.
No if, and or buts about it, Barrera got screwed by the decision. If and when there is a rematch, it better not be in Vegas, and an independent commission must be put together to monitor officials at ringside for gross improprieties such as those evidenced by the farcical scores last night.
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The scoring for both De Leon fight and the main event where a travesty. Call it corruption, moronic, or just plain strange....it is unacceptable.
You think Geery Penalosa won the fight? Or you think the actual scores were bad?
Penelosa won that fight, Forbes won his fight, and i would have ruled the barerra marquez fight a draw.
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Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Barrera landed about 7 more total punches and around 40 less power punches. How does that back up your claim that MAB won or landed the cleaner punches? You point out that Marquez misses alot yet punch-stats have him landing at a higher % than MAB.
If MAB won it would've been with the jab and ring generalship. Marquez was clearly the harder, sharper, more effective power-puncher.
Can't find the compubox analysis anywhere on the web. However, I do remember that Barrera had the edge in the numbers. Barrera's punches were cleaner and more effective as evidenced by JMM's face at the end of the fight. I'm not taking anything away from Marquez; he's an amazing boxer and I take my hat off to him.
However, did he do enough to dethrone Barrera? I think not. Barrera effectively blocked many of the punches that Marquez threw. My only gripe with Barrera's performance was that he wasn't as sharp with his counter punching as I would have liked and he didn't establish a dominate jab early on in the bout.
Both fighters were tactically flawed throughout portions of the bout, but that's what makes the sport so interesting.
No if, and or buts about it, Barrera got screwed by the decision. If and when there is a rematch, it better not be in Vegas, and an independent commission must be put together to monitor officials at ringside for gross improprieties such as those evidenced by the farcical scores last night.
I heartily disagree. The main argument Barrera supporters seem to have is that he landed about 6 or 7 more punches over the course of 12 rounds and "look at Marquez's face!". The second argument isn't really something I'd expect to hear from knowledgable boxing fans. A sharp jab here and there can bust open an opponents face.
You say you would've scored it a draw? What rounds did you give to MAB? Did you actually score the fight or did it just "feel" like a close fight?
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So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
agreed but there not normally out by 7 rounds ..
no im not basing it on there face or ledermans scoring but im just saying its nothing to do with drama like you said in other thread it was close fight that could of gone either way i dont know how you had marquez up 7 rounds up even biggest marquez fans on here only had him winning by 1 round 2 at the most
What rounds did you give to MAB? I know you somehow gave him the first 3 so how did you score it 4-12?
I don't think most people actually score fights. They just keep track of KD's and expect the scores to be consistent with the "feel" of the fight. Sometimes there are fights like these where the action is always close and back-and-forth but one fighter has a consistent edge. This results in seemingly unfounded lop-sided scoring.
4-12? Were there 16 rounds ???
Were you born retarded?
the 4th round to the 12th round.
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Also--I haven't seen it mentioned here, but JMM made a "WTF" face when Michael Buffer started reading the scores (i.e., when the numbers were announced, but prior to saying who won).
I am watching as they annouce the scorecards right now, the ONLY expression made by JMM was a 'winse' like expression he squints both of his eyes in fatigue and pain but by any means I don't know how you determine that expression is a WTF? expression.... :dontknow:
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Originally Posted by Terp
No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.
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I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
punchstats says different
I agree. Marquez was giving the harder and clearer punches.Barrera is too dirty to box Marquez even if the latter was still down. Barrera deserves the loss and the score for being a dirty fighter. This is one thing many boxing fans of Barrera do not see in their fighter. This is the reason I admire Morales. The guy is clean and fights fairly.
I have seen this attitude of Barrera during the Barrera-PAcquaio match. When Barrera feels that he is going to lose the fight he fights dirty. You can watch again the Barrera-Pacquaio fight and you will agree with me.
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I heartily disagree. The main argument Barrera supporters seem to have is that he landed about 6 or 7 more punches over the course of 12 rounds and "look at Marquez's face!". The second argument isn't really something I'd expect to hear from knowledgable boxing fans. A sharp jab here and there can bust open an opponents face.
You say you would've scored it a draw? What rounds did you give to MAB? Did you actually score the fight or did it just "feel" like a close fight?
O.K. I'll throw out the compubox factor and I'll even throw out the swelling issue on Marquez's face. Everyone has different dermal makeup and different bone structure which plays a huge role in how they respond to landed punches.
I never said that I would've scored the fight a draw...at least not to my recollection. I did say that I could have walked away from the fight a bit easier if it would have been scored a draw. It's a slippery road into a dark hole when you try to score these fights. My card was similar to Ledermann's, but I had Barrera taking the 12th round and winning by a score of 115-113. Honestly, I think that's a fair score.
Since your on the topic of Barrera proponents making silly arguments, I'd love to hear your reasoning behind how you can justify a win for Marquez. If you had the fight going to Marquez by 1 or 2 rounds, it would be an exercise in futility to disagree with you unless we were both in the same room with scorecards and arguing the merits of our scoring after each round.
I like Marquez alot. He showed me what he had when he came back from what I thought was going to be an early night against Pacquiao. He's a crafty and highly skilled SMART boxer. I just don't think he done enough to get the nod. But I must admit that the most contentious rounds could have gone either way.
