REBOOT 2007 : Saddo's Official P4P list (the top 5 slots) VOTE!!!

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Why do you think an answer to your questions is necessary in any way at all?

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Have SC #43 on me. To answer your question: because it's a forum; that's what it's for--discussion. I know it's a tough concept, but if you just press on and think about it for a few weeks (keep the tylenol on hand), I'm sure you'll eventually figure it out.

Here's another question, since you're such a fan of them: why do you think anyone i should care about or respect your list when you refuse to discuss or even attempt to justify it?

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Hmm, good question... That IS a toughie :-\

To be honest shza, i mean if im totally honest. i dont have an answer because i dont particularly care.... Of course that relates to you and you alone at the moment.
However in regards to everyone else.. Well, we'll just have to wait and see?

Thanks for the SC btw, i guess it adds character.

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Mate, you're being an ass. He's right--it's a forum. People ask and answer questions and discuss things. You were out of line.

pbf
pac
winky
rafa
taylor

pac
jmm
bhop
winky

dammit i forgot j.t, i choose pbf because i forgot j.t.

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Originally Posted by shza

To the people putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather: do you really, honestly, believe that Pacquiao would win if they fought at the same weight? It's not even such a crazy fantasy match--they weighed nearly the same amount in their last fights. IMO, Mayweather wins pretty much every single round of that fight. Pacquiao is undoubtedly more exciting, and he's improved technically over the last 3 years, but he's still essentially a KO punching brawler. He's got bad balance, always lunges with his shots, and often looks out of control. Mayweather, on the other hand, is pretty much technically flawless. All Pac would have in that fight would be a puncher's chance. And that shouldn't qualify one for the title of "best p4p boxer in the world."

For the same reason (Pac has very basic flaws, Winky doesn't), I don't understand putting Pac ahead of Winky. I don't really get how anyone downgraded Winky (who was the consensus #2 just a few months ago), despite the fact that he's been impressive, moved up in weight, and hasn't lost in the intervening time period (and should have gotten the W over Taylor). Is it because Pac did what everyone expected him to do (hand a completely shot Morales his third straight loss)? Doesn't make sense to me.

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It all boils down to your definition of p4p best. I can absolutely understand where you're coming from - if we base the decision solely on technique, then PBF tops the list for me, as well. But, but, but - In my opinion, boxing is about a whole lot more than technique. PBF, in my opinion (which isn't worth much), has taken the easy route with the latter half of his career. I would like to see someone with as much talent as has stick around a division and totally dominate it. Instead, he's jumped from weight to weight, choosing his fights carefully. Who knows? If he fought more than one or two fights at a weight, he might have run into someone who could give him trouble. Unlikely? Maybe. And that's the heart of why I have him only at #2. There's a big question mark following him around for me, a lot of what ifs. The thing I like about Pac is his willingness to get in the ring with anyone. He's already fought three of the best fighters at his weight in MAB, JMM, and Morales, and shown plenty of technical flaws, sure - but also plenty of heart. Apparently his flaws as a boxer didn't really amount to much in those fights, since he performed quite well.

I base a p4p list not only on technique, but also on heart and quality of opposition. No way does PBF come close to Pac in this latter regard, although he is in a position to make some truly challenging fights.

CC 93, bcollins. This is what I was hoping to get in response to my questions (i.e., a well-reasoned response). I can definitely see where you're coming from. I just can't get past the idea that if you put PBF and Pacman in a ring together, both weighing 145 when they stepped in (close to what they both weighed in their last fights), PBF would dominate. That may go to the question of what "p4p" means, and our difference of opinion/criteria on that--but either way, it's just too much for me to swallow. I do agree that, of the marquee fighters, Pac's had the toughest competition in the past 3-4 years (aside from Jermain Taylor, whom I don't like to watch, but who IMO takes the cake on that measure).

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Originally Posted by shza

CC 93, bcollins. This is what I was hoping to get in response to my questions (i.e., a well-reasoned response). I can definitely see where you're coming from. I just can't get past the idea that if you put PBF and Pacman in a ring together, both weighing 145 when they stepped in (close to what they both weighed in their last fights), PBF would dominate. That may go to the question of what "p4p" means, and our difference of opinion/criteria on that--but either way, it's just too much for me to swallow. I do agree that, of the marquee fighters, Pac's had the toughest competition in the past 3-4 years (aside from Jermain Taylor, whom I don't like to watch, but who IMO takes the cake on that measure).

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:coolclick: right back. I think the hypothetical matchup between the two would be an interesting one, no doubt. I think that, had Floyd stayed at lightweight or super featherweight, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. PBF vs the likes of MAB, Morales, JMM, and Pacquiao would have silenced any "quality of opposition" issues. I honestly don't know who I would favor in some of those matchups!

As of March the 22nd, 2007 here's where we stand.

Saddo's Official P4P Rankings:

1: Manny "the Destroyer" Pacquiao
2: "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather
3: Ronald "Winky" Wright
4: Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez
5: Bernard "the Executioner" Hopkins

It's currently a close race between Manny & Floyd...but Manny's edging it right now.

April 17th is the ending date...so post your arguements & your votes...as we continue.

Following this we will then vote the Final Five.

Cheers & koneecheewah bitches.

@ this moment:

Mayweather
Pacquiao
R. Marquez
J. Marquez
Wright

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

To those who have Vic Darchinyan in the Top 5, please let me know what kind of weed you've been smoking, because I want to get my hands on some...

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Haha they're doin a lot more then coosh if they have Vic up there. I personally laugh everytime I see him fight because he looks like a chicken with his head cocked back ready to peck. Honestly, why the hell does his elbow stick out like that?

Anyways...time for my valuable input 8)

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Winky Wright

I think those are still locks. The argument can be made for Rafa but honestly I don't think so, not yet. So that being said....

4. Rafael Marquez
5. Jermain Taylor

JMM slips in at 7 or 6, I could even see him at 5. But as of right now JT holds 2 victories and a draw over top P4P guys and as contreversial as they all may be, you have to reward him with number 5 at least.

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGod

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Not everything is a conspiracy involving Pacquiao.

Wev'e got some new members that have also had their say in it.

Be that as it may...this is the forum's list...so whatever the poll states is how it all ends in the end.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by BoxingGod

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Not everything is a conspiracy involving Pacquiao.

Wev'e got some new members that have also had their say in it.

Be that as it may...this is the forum's list...so whatever the poll states is how it all ends in the end.

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I guess that explains it with the new members it's just funny that 3 months ago Pac was voted second and neither fighters have done anything yet he jumps ahead of him. I didn't realize it was all in the votes.

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Not everything is a conspiracy involving Pacquiao.

Wev'e got some new members that have also had their say in it.

Be that as it may...this is the forum's list...so whatever the poll states is how it all ends in the end.

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Wacko, are you just going by the numbers, or are you correlating in what people have written on this thread? If it's just the numbers, then all they show is that more people think Manny is somewhere in the top 5 than think PBF is somewhere in the top five. Don't we need to have another round of voting, where we vote among the five that are in the top five, and rank-order them? I wouldn't be surprised if we then saw a slightly different result.

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Originally Posted by shza

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Not everything is a conspiracy involving Pacquiao.

Wev'e got some new members that have also had their say in it.

Be that as it may...this is the forum's list...so whatever the poll states is how it all ends in the end.

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Wacko, are you just going by the numbers, or are you correlating in what people have written on this thread? If it's just the numbers, then all they show is that more people think Manny is somewhere in the top 5 than think PBF is somewhere in the top five. Don't we need to have another round of voting, where we vote among the five that are in the top five, and rank-order them? I wouldn't be surprised if we then saw a slightly different result.

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yea this is really proving more people are voting pac in the top five then people voting pbf. its not really voting who gets #1 spot p4p. its just people voting the first five, right?

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by amat

What has Manny done since the last time these rankings were revamped to surpass Floyd? Beat a past it Morales? Unless you're saying that Marquez victory helps his strength of opponents I really don't see how Pacquiao all of the sudden jumps ahead of Mayweather.

Use your veto power Wacko ;)

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we should have a thread about who has jump ship from pbf to pac, i know i've always had pac ahead of pbf, but pac is ahead of pbf now well atleast for now on our saddo list and i think we should have some peeps explain why they have jump ship voting pbf then and now voting pac as #1 p4p.

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Not everything is a conspiracy involving Pacquiao.

Wev'e got some new members that have also had their say in it.

Be that as it may...this is the forum's list...so whatever the poll states is how it all ends in the end.

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I guess that explains it with the new members it's just funny that 3 months ago Pac was voted second and neither fighters have done anything yet he jumps ahead of him. I didn't realize it was all in the votes.

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yea 3 months ago pbf was ahead but pac seems to be holding on to the lead which is interesting to me, WACKO are you saying its just because of new members voting pac and dismissing the thought that maybe old members has switch to voting pac, if so don't you think it'll be interesting to hear their thoughts why they made the switch???

hopefully if some of our old members has made the switch they'd come forward and have some explaining to do. but that may not be the case because this is like voting just who thinks deserves to be in the top five NOT who deserves the top spot 1# p4p....right?