Mundine to upset Kessler?

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by greatdane

love the logic you used eagle, green vs beyer 2, beyer was a bad fighter, but just had the book on green ,who was not at his best anymore.. BUT yet here years later, when mundine beats green, THIS is absolutely a remarkebale thing in boxing history.. maybe in australien boxing, but not on the world scene..

the logical equation would be, if the green fight was big for mundine, then beyer was huge for kessler.. but lets not get carried away, mundine beating green is not that big of a deal.. and you keep talking about the winky fight when referring to soliman, so because soliman won max 3-4 rounds against winky, this is the way you judge him, based on a good loss..

both green and soliman er solid fighters, soliman jumping up in weight, and a green a couple of years from prime time, im not saying they are not solid wins, they are, but nothing more then solid..

AND MUNDINE LOOKED GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS, ISNT IT EASIER TO LOOK SHARP, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK REGARDING YOUR OPPONENTS QUALITY..???

but eventhough im of another opinion then you, i agree mundine has improved, but not to the extent that he is a completely new fighter.. those who claimed he lacked confidence the first time, THAT is completely and utter bullshit, 2-3 times he invited kessler in, with his hands hanging low, THIS does not even remotely seems of a man lacking confidence..

now lets talk kessler..

he has had i fights, ko beyer, and shotout of andrade, both good wins, and kessler fights has been at least equally as good as mundine´s

and lets talk some facts, so some of you, know the real deal about their first fight.. kessler has frequently dealth with severe back problems, at one point it looked like it was going to end his career.. he had some problems with it up to the mundine fight.. this resulted in his roadwork was far from great, and even worse his sparring was really low, actually when you compare the amount of round from the mundine fight to the andrade fight, kessler had 5 times as much sparring for the andrade fight.. he sparred aROUND 30 ROUNDS FOR MUNDINE, ,and 150-180 for andrade..

but eventhough this is the case, i will agree that he was prepared, otherwise he shouldnt have fought, but what i am saying, is that kessler was not in his best form, i wouldnt be to much, if i claimed he missed out the last 5-10% of his game..

this is for me the X factor, what happens when kessler brings 100 % to the table..??

im not saying kessler is impossible to beat, i just think that he is better than mundine.. and its not like i think kessler will blow him away.. my opinione 8-4 kessler

to sum up, maybe mundine has improved slightly more then the other smw, due to his lack of amateur background, but les not get carried away.. mundine was also a top fighter 2 years ago, and eventhough he looked good, he has done nothing that has set the division alight..

its one thing looking good against b level opponents, and much harder against a-level..





lets be reasonable here, mundine is absolutely amongst the best in the division, and yes he has improved, but those claiming 1o fold or 70 % you gotta be kidding me..

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Would u like a cool clicks bet that the fight is atleast closer than the last, if not a win for Mundine. If it is everything ive said will be true....

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we can easely make acool click bet, dont know what it is, but its easely done mate.. what ws the scores 120-108 and the last two was in the region of 116-112 115-113.. cant remenber excatly..

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Originally Posted by chum112

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is fucking stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

Hi all, I have been reading this forum and decided to join up. Like alot of you here I have been a big fan of Mundine since he decided to hang up the footy boots. Watching him gain experience throughout his career has really taught me alot about boxing, particularly in the SMW division.

Anyway, at first I always thought his footspeed would negate anything that was thrown at him. Yes I agree Mundine can easily overcome lesser opponents through his speed, jabs and fast combinations. You'll see that in alot of his earlier fights, he will just stay on the outside, accumulate points with the jab and throw the odd combination. In the event that the combination lands, he will then move in for the kill (so to speak) and end the contest with a couple of power punches.

However, against higher ranked opponents Mundine needs more than that. Against Green, he needed to do the floyd shoulder roll all night, while jabbing, landing combos and using fast footwork. He surprised Soliman by coming out and being the aggressor. If you listen to Soliman's trainer you will see that he too was surprised that Mundine wasn't running from Soliman. Mundine was able to be the aggressor because Soliman was physically inferior. If you watch the fight closely, you will see Mundine shrugging Soliman off with both gloves (much like a push) if he got too close.

Now, in the proposed Kessler rematch I see things getting a little tough for Mundine. Yes he has improved markedly, but he is facing someone who is bigger than him and cannot be shrugged away like Soliman. He is also facing someone who isn't as robotic as Green. Kessler is deceivingly quick on his feet and he throws the straight right hand faster and harder as any boxer that I have seen. From what I saw in the Kessler vs Beyer fight, this punch is hard to defend.

So ... for a Mundine win against Kessler what does he have to do? Surely he cannot stay on the outside and attempt to outbox Kessler. Kessler, with his many years of experience will just close up the ring, tire Mundine out and eat him for breakfast. Perhaps he needs to plant his front foot and be the aggressor, in much the same fashion as in the Soliman II fight?

What do you all think?

El Gamo, Mundine vs Siaca was a terrible fight! Mundine was fighting from the outside all night in a similar (but worse vein) as his fight against Kessler. While there were sparks of brilliance from Mundine, his jab wasn't landing and he looked scared all night. The telling sign was when he was trying to evade an attacking Siaca, got caught with an overhead right and dropped him. While this happened right at the 2nd round bell, Mundine was noticably rattled by the punch.

I hope never to see Mundine fight like that again. You can't walk into a ring thinking you will never take a punch to the head. I think Mundine realises this and with the development of his left shoulder-roll, he has become a more complete fighter.

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Originally Posted by Ranson

El Gamo, Mundine vs Siaca was a terrible fight! Mundine was fighting from the outside all night in a similar (but worse vein) as his fight against Kessler. While there were sparks of brilliance from Mundine, his jab wasn't landing and he looked scared all night. The telling sign was when he was trying to evade an attacking Siaca, got caught with an overhead right and dropped him. While this happened right at the 2nd round bell, Mundine was noticably rattled by the punch.

I hope never to see Mundine fight like that again. You can't walk into a ring thinking you will never take a punch to the head. I think Mundine realises this and with the development of his left shoulder-roll, he has become a more complete fighter.

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Have a cool click on me brother and welcome to our awesome forum. Thanks for the info although I' not sure if I agree,I'l have to see the fight. When I read reviews of the fight,it said Mundine boxed really well.

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Originally Posted by greatdane

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Originally Posted by chum112

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is F****** stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

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Wrong. A fighter can improve by %70. Here is why. His power is about 1.5 times better than it was before. His speed is twice as better than before. His defense is 3 times better than before. And his courage and agression is 10 times better than before. Watch the Siaca fight (where Mundine was terrible) then watch the Green fight. These are two different boxers. And comparisons between the two fights, a lot of people would say %70 improvement is way to small. There is a massive difference between these two fights. in which i haven't seen a boxer improve that much in.

Im sticking by my word. Mundine will beat Kessler. Than he will drop to middleweight and unify it. His handspeed and power is to much for the other middleweights. He won't loose again iin his career.

So i suppose mudine would beat Calzaghe would he?? haha

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Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is F****** stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

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Wrong. A fighter can improve by %70. Here is why. His power is about 1.5 times better than it was before. His speed is twice as better than before. His defense is 3 times better than before. And his courage and agression is 10 times better than before. Watch the Siaca fight (where Mundine was terrible) then watch the Green fight. These are two different boxers. And comparisons between the two fights, a lot of people would say %70 improvement is way to small. There is a massive difference between these two fights. in which i haven't seen a boxer improve that much in.

Im sticking by my word. Mundine will beat Kessler. Than he will drop to middleweight and unify it. His handspeed and power is to much for the other middleweights. He won't loose again iin his career.

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well mate your SCIENTIFIC breakdown of mundines ability and progression, is so close to retarded that your whole psot is just laughable..

why should i look at the siaca fight, this proves what.?? its 2 years and 2 fights since kessler. should i tell you to look at kessler 4-5 years ago, and then all of a sudden claim, he has improved 100000000000000000 %

you do know that mundine was amongst the best in the division 2 years ago, and when you have world level boxing ability, you simple just dont progress 70 %.. IT BEYOND ALL LOGIC, HAVE ANyONE EVER SEEN AN ATHLETE PREOGRESS THIS MUCH, WHEN ALREADY COMPETING IN WORLD CLASS LEVEL???

lets make an example, , a cyclist in tour de france riding with aprox 50, he would now be riding with 85 .. and i could continue, 100 m for men ,at world level around 10 is okay, if a runner progresses 70 %, and cuts 70 % of his time, he would be running in 3 sec.. NEEDLESS to say, but no was any sportsman or womnen is progressing 70 % if they are already performing on world class level..

one thing is that you think taht mundine will beat kessler, its not like he is mr impossible to beat, but at least have the common courtesy of talking about something realistically.. give just 1, JUST 1 SCIENTIFICALLY PROOF, OF THAT MUNDINE IS TWICE AS STRONG, 1,5 FASTER AND SO ON, im sorry to say but you are making a fool of yourself..

its certainly okay to claim you think mundine has a chance, but your breakdown of it, is just as stupid as the 70%.. kessler will never run, he will box mate..

as said, to claim mundine will win is a possibility, and if you are trying to convince others of the fact he will win, be my guest, but in the end, no matter what you think or might i say dont think, then kessler beat mundine, kessler is the champ, and mundine is the one who doesnt want any part of kessler..

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Originally Posted by chum112

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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Omg take off them fan glasses and smell the coffee your dreaming.

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Originally Posted by chum112

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Originally Posted by chum112

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is F****** stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

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Wrong. A fighter can improve by %70. Here is why. His power is about 1.5 times better than it was before. His speed is twice as better than before. His defense is 3 times better than before. And his courage and agression is 10 times better than before. Watch the Siaca fight (where Mundine was terrible) then watch the Green fight. These are two different boxers. And comparisons between the two fights, a lot of people would say %70 improvement is way to small. There is a massive difference between these two fights. in which i haven't seen a boxer improve that much in.

Im sticking by my word. Mundine will beat Kessler. Than he will drop to middleweight and unify it. His handspeed and power is to much for the other middleweights. He won't loose again iin his career.

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Oh yea and :lolhaha: at 70 percent improvement.

Yeah, I would agree that there is a big difference between Mundine vs Siaca and Mundine vs Green. While Mundine nearly had a perfect fight against the 'robot like' Green, I think it would be much harder for him to win against either Kessler or Calzaghe. The Mundine jab does not penetrate as well against taller, bigger opponents. We saw that when he fought Siaca and Kessler.

Mundine is a confidence fighter. The moment he gets rocked or feels he is not in control is where he is most vulnerable.

That said, he is at a stage where he can't afford any more losses. If and when he gets a shot against any of these two guys, I hope he wins convincingly!

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Originally Posted by chum112

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is F****** stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

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Wrong. A fighter can improve by %70. Here is why. His power is about 1.5 times better than it was before. His speed is twice as better than before. His defense is 3 times better than before. And his courage and agression is 10 times better than before. Watch the Siaca fight (where Mundine was terrible) then watch the Green fight. These are two different boxers. And comparisons between the two fights, a lot of people would say %70 improvement is way to small. There is a massive difference between these two fights. in which i haven't seen a boxer improve that much in.

Im sticking by my word. Mundine will beat Kessler. Than he will drop to middleweight and unify it. His handspeed and power is to much for the other middleweights. He won't loose again iin his career.

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well mate your SCIENTIFIC breakdown of mundines ability and progression, is so close to retarded that your whole psot is just laughable..

why should i look at the siaca fight, this proves what.?? its 2 years and 2 fights since kessler. should i tell you to look at kessler 4-5 years ago, and then all of a sudden claim, he has improved 100000000000000000 %

you do know that mundine was amongst the best in the division 2 years ago, and when you have world level boxing ability, you simple just dont progress 70 %.. IT BEYOND ALL LOGIC, HAVE ANyONE EVER SEEN AN ATHLETE PREOGRESS THIS MUCH, WHEN ALREADY COMPETING IN WORLD CLASS LEVEL???

lets make an example, , a cyclist in tour de france riding with aprox 50, he would now be riding with 85 .. and i could continue, 100 m for men ,at world level around 10 is okay, if a runner progresses 70 %, and cuts 70 % of his time, he would be running in 3 sec.. NEEDLESS to say, but no was any sportsman or womnen is progressing 70 % if they are already performing on world class level..

one thing is that you think taht mundine will beat kessler, its not like he is mr impossible to beat, but at least have the common courtesy of talking about something realistically.. give just 1, JUST 1 SCIENTIFICALLY PROOF, OF THAT MUNDINE IS TWICE AS STRONG, 1,5 FASTER AND SO ON, im sorry to say but you are making a fool of yourself..

its certainly okay to claim you think mundine has a chance, but your breakdown of it, is just as stupid as the 70%.. kessler will never run, he will box mate..

as said, to claim mundine will win is a possibility, and if you are trying to convince others of the fact he will win, be my guest, but in the end, no matter what you think or might i say dont think, then kessler beat mundine, kessler is the champ, and mundine is the one who doesnt want any part of kessler..

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The only thing wrong with this is that you have completely underrated the handspeed and same power that mundine has to kessler.

You guys are seriously dreaming, kessler is not as good as you think he is. Beyer this year was washed up and should be saving his pension let alone fighting.

Absolute Bullcrap.

Your boxing analysis is total crap. You guys are the same guys that said Danny Green would beat him, Antwon Echolls would beat him and the rest.

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Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

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let me educate you a ltlle about mundine mate..

the claim that mundine has no amateur background is correct, BUT BUT BUT mundine has trained boxing since he was a kid, if you are such a mundine fan, what is it mundine sr is.. is it a boxing trainer?? oh yes he is a boxing trainer..

so he lacked skills.. laughabel mate, this is really getting out of hand.. as clearly pointet out, mundine is far from new to the sport of boxing, eventhough he doesnt have an amateur fights, boxing have ALWAYS been close to home.. so now what, we have a guy doing boxing for the most of his life, and you claim he is 70% better..

im really trying to be respectfull, but that claim is F****** stupid.. 70%.. when kessler fought mundine, you do know he was the mandatory, and thus already in the elite of smw.. you do know that the progress that kessler´s and the mundines are doing right now, is not even close to 15 %.. hte way they progress from fight to fight, we are talking a minumi of progression, as their boxing ability is already established.. maybe they can progress further 5-10 %their whole career, but claiming 70 make syou stand out as some what not knowledgeable..

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Wrong. A fighter can improve by %70. Here is why. His power is about 1.5 times better than it was before. His speed is twice as better than before. His defense is 3 times better than before. And his courage and agression is 10 times better than before. Watch the Siaca fight (where Mundine was terrible) then watch the Green fight. These are two different boxers. And comparisons between the two fights, a lot of people would say %70 improvement is way to small. There is a massive difference between these two fights. in which i haven't seen a boxer improve that much in.

Im sticking by my word. Mundine will beat Kessler. Than he will drop to middleweight and unify it. His handspeed and power is to much for the other middleweights. He won't loose again iin his career.

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well mate your SCIENTIFIC breakdown of mundines ability and progression, is so close to retarded that your whole psot is just laughable..

why should i look at the siaca fight, this proves what.?? its 2 years and 2 fights since kessler. should i tell you to look at kessler 4-5 years ago, and then all of a sudden claim, he has improved 100000000000000000 %

you do know that mundine was amongst the best in the division 2 years ago, and when you have world level boxing ability, you simple just dont progress 70 %.. IT BEYOND ALL LOGIC, HAVE ANyONE EVER SEEN AN ATHLETE PREOGRESS THIS MUCH, WHEN ALREADY COMPETING IN WORLD CLASS LEVEL???

lets make an example, , a cyclist in tour de france riding with aprox 50, he would now be riding with 85 .. and i could continue, 100 m for men ,at world level around 10 is okay, if a runner progresses 70 %, and cuts 70 % of his time, he would be running in 3 sec.. NEEDLESS to say, but no was any sportsman or womnen is progressing 70 % if they are already performing on world class level..

one thing is that you think taht mundine will beat kessler, its not like he is mr impossible to beat, but at least have the common courtesy of talking about something realistically.. give just 1, JUST 1 SCIENTIFICALLY PROOF, OF THAT MUNDINE IS TWICE AS STRONG, 1,5 FASTER AND SO ON, im sorry to say but you are making a fool of yourself..

its certainly okay to claim you think mundine has a chance, but your breakdown of it, is just as stupid as the 70%.. kessler will never run, he will box mate..

as said, to claim mundine will win is a possibility, and if you are trying to convince others of the fact he will win, be my guest, but in the end, no matter what you think or might i say dont think, then kessler beat mundine, kessler is the champ, and mundine is the one who doesnt want any part of kessler..

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The only thing wrong with this is that you have completely underrated the handspeed and same power that mundine has to kessler.

You guys are seriously dreaming, kessler is not as good as you think he is. Beyer this year was washed up and should be saving his pension let alone fighting.

Absolute Bullcrap.

Your boxing analysis is total crap. You guys are the same guys that said Danny Green would beat him, Antwon Echolls would beat him and the rest.

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my analysis is crap, then what do you call your 70 % improvement claim, and where is your analysis.. you just state blah blah blah, 70 % progress, he will beat kessler.. blah blah blah.. twice as fast.. blah blah blah..

i NEVER stated that green or echolls would beat him, didnt even know they were fighting, so how should i post anything about it..

ohh you mean beyer was shot, but didnt beyer beat your precious green way back in time.. so might i ad, that the green fighting mundine was even more shot, then the BELT HOLDER beyer., when he fought kessler... may i add that green, is a case of didnt and couldnt.. he had his chance in his prime against beyer, but he couldnt.. against mundine he was past it, was slow and his punches was easy to tell, that is was written about in yesterdays newspaper..

a poor trained kessler whooped mundine in his own backyard.. imagine what a perfect trained kessler would do..

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Originally Posted by greatdane

my analysis is crap, then what do you call your 70 % improvement claim, and where is your analysis.. you just state blah blah blah, 70 % progress, he will beat kessler.. blah blah blah.. twice as fast.. blah blah blah..

i NEVER stated that green or echolls would beat him, didnt even know they were fighting, so how should i post anything about it..

ohh you mean beyer was shot, but didnt beyer beat your precious green way back in time.. so might i ad, that the green fighting mundine was even more shot, then the BELT HOLDER beyer., when he fought kessler... may i add that green, is a case of didnt and couldnt.. he had his chance in his prime against beyer, but he couldnt.. against mundine he was past it, was slow and his punches was easy to tell, that is was written about in yesterdays newspaper..

a poor trained kessler whooped mundine in his own backyard.. imagine what a perfect trained kessler would do..

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Isn't saying "Blah blah" a great way to ridicule someone's argument?

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Originally Posted by greatdane

my analysis is crap, then what do you call your 70 % improvement claim, and where is your analysis.. you just state blah blah blah, 70 % progress, he will beat kessler.. blah blah blah.. twice as fast.. blah blah blah..

i NEVER stated that green or echolls would beat him, didnt even know they were fighting, so how should i post anything about it..

ohh you mean beyer was shot, but didnt beyer beat your precious green way back in time.. so might i ad, that the green fighting mundine was even more shot, then the BELT HOLDER beyer., when he fought kessler... may i add that green, is a case of didnt and couldnt.. he had his chance in his prime against beyer, but he couldnt.. against mundine he was past it, was slow and his punches was easy to tell, that is was written about in yesterdays newspaper..

a poor trained kessler whooped mundine in his own backyard.. imagine what a perfect trained kessler would do..

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Isn't saying "Blah blah" a great way to ridicule someone's argument?

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dont know if you have bothered with reading our posts back and forth, as its really long.., then you would know that almost everything he is saying is only worth a blah blah.. éventhough im saying it, im still contributing to the discussion in other ways..

and coming and saying blah yourself, without contributing to the discussion , is it not rather pointless mate..?