Re: What the F*** is up with these new people?
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Punisher, MMA as we know it today is still early in its inception. The overall athleticism and skill level of its fighters has risen astronomicaly since the first UFC. All fighters work on BJJ now, and all fighters work on takedowns and takedown defense. This is b/c of the dominance that sub artists and GNPers have had in the past. Over the past couple of years we have seen a shift to great strikers that can keep fights standing. I'd expect to see the punching and kicking of MMA fighters improving as well. I still maintain that even with a fighter that has a good boxing background his mma style will still be one with strong differences from boxing and probably still not that appealing to boxing fans. The basic premise of hit and not be hit are still there but w/some important augmentations. I personally enjoy the idea of a total combatant as a sport and have enjoyed watching the sports metamorphisis, but to each his own. When the question of what technique is the best for real world situations, I tell people that Muay Thai mixed with Judo would probably be the best. It offers a striking style with lots of variety and Judo is going to give you the skill set to control your opponent in the clinch. I'm I going to try a knee lock in a bar fight? Probably not, but my training in submission wrestling would help me with controlling my opponent in the close quarters of a real fight. I've never used a joint manipulation in a real fight but I have choked a couple of guys unconscious.
Choking people out is alittle different than submissions (thats the "stun" level i was thinking about) thats probably the best alternative for someone trained in those aspects. I'd say some good boxing and just being in a situation before where you've had to fight while on the ground would help dispatch your average drunken dude who's just talking S*** (and really thats what the majority of people's street opponents are gonna be). I'm sure its a whole different story when that drunk dude is an all state wrestler and has dabbled in some other stuff tho. First time i got taken to the ground in the street it wasn't a total disaster because i remained calm and knew how i was gonna flip him over (huge strength advantage didn't hurt there) but I'm sure if i run into someone who's trained in that stuff its not gonna help me much but it'd be better than not going thru it before.
Most bars I go to or outings are pretty tight quarters, and creating distance is a problem to get full leverage on a punch to deter someone, that were Elbows, Knees, headbutts and eye jabs come in.. or the wrist lock...
I am 195 lbs and can escape the mount from someone who is heavier than me or I can also maintain side control or the mount on bigger guys than me.... We get alot of Rough and tumble badasses roided up muscle heads, cops, military personal all types that try to impose there size and strength, but learn very quickly that proper technique always champions strength....
I'm pretty big so i can usually just toss someone aside if they try to pin me down. I don't do anything fancy just punch and it's been enough so far. ;D
Thats funny....... thats what the 270lb tight end for the Mohegan Sun arena football team thought when he 1st started training MMA with us....
Its all subtle technique bro trust me, not trying to be in a pissing contest with you but again Subtle technique, leg weaves and proper weight distibution is the equalizer for strength ;)
I haven't been able to get to my training stuff for months my legs are probably useless and a 5th grader could throw me. Back before i was into boxing a few years ago i had a friend of mine teach me some throws and stuff (at this point i was probably the pound for pound weakest dude in pennsylvania and for some reason my hardest punch was a heavy left jab mind you im an orthodox :o ). He weighs somewhere between 170-180 and hes ripped and at that time he just tossed me around like a rag doll. It wouldn't be hard to take me down now but atleast i got a punching chance. If i would've gotten in a serious fight back then i would've been handily destroyed.
We call it the bench press.... When you are sitting on someones chest(mount) and they push and extend their arms straining and using all their strength to push you off of them... The dirty trick is to grab one of the arms they are willing giving to you ;D and simply arm bar them....
I feint roll out of positions like that. I act like i'm gonna try a quick shift but then i back off and do it at full force like less then a second later. They usually brace for the false movement and are over committed to that side by the time i do the real thing. I'm not saying it'd work against someone who knows what they're doing but it takes care of the average jobber on the street.
Re: What the F*** is up with these new people?
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Its all subtle technique bro trust me, not trying to be in a pissing contest with you but again Subtle technique, leg weaves and proper weight distibution is the equalizer for strength
The biggest threat is that they will somehow fall upon you when you trip them instead of crashing backwards. I hear many an eager MMA apprentice has met his demise when they legged weaved a fat man and he fell the wrong way.
We are crossed up in our meanings... Leg weaving is when you are in the mount(sitting on your opponents chest-Torso) then put you legs back and weave them with the lying opponent(this is were the gay references come in) ;D but that keeps the person neutralized, also you deaden your weight so your rib cage and strenum digs into them, so while they are trapped you are making it difficult for them to breathe in the process since there chest is compressed.... That usually causes panic and forces them to make that detrimental mistake that leads to a sub or ground and pound
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Punisher, MMA as we know it today is still early in its inception. The overall athleticism and skill level of its fighters has risen astronomicaly since the first UFC. All fighters work on BJJ now, and all fighters work on takedowns and takedown defense. This is b/c of the dominance that sub artists and GNPers have had in the past. Over the past couple of years we have seen a shift to great strikers that can keep fights standing. I'd expect to see the punching and kicking of MMA fighters improving as well. I still maintain that even with a fighter that has a good boxing background his mma style will still be one with strong differences from boxing and probably still not that appealing to boxing fans. The basic premise of hit and not be hit are still there but w/some important augmentations. I personally enjoy the idea of a total combatant as a sport and have enjoyed watching the sports metamorphisis, but to each his own. When the question of what technique is the best for real world situations, I tell people that Muay Thai mixed with Judo would probably be the best. It offers a striking style with lots of variety and Judo is going to give you the skill set to control your opponent in the clinch. I'm I going to try a knee lock in a bar fight? Probably not, but my training in submission wrestling would help me with controlling my opponent in the close quarters of a real fight. I've never used a joint manipulation in a real fight but I have choked a couple of guys unconscious.
Choking people out is alittle different than submissions (thats the "stun" level i was thinking about) thats probably the best alternative for someone trained in those aspects. I'd say some good boxing and just being in a situation before where you've had to fight while on the ground would help dispatch your average drunken dude who's just talking S*** (and really thats what the majority of people's street opponents are gonna be). I'm sure its a whole different story when that drunk dude is an all state wrestler and has dabbled in some other stuff tho. First time i got taken to the ground in the street it wasn't a total disaster because i remained calm and knew how i was gonna flip him over (huge strength advantage didn't hurt there) but I'm sure if i run into someone who's trained in that stuff its not gonna help me much but it'd be better than not going thru it before.
Most bars I go to or outings are pretty tight quarters, and creating distance is a problem to get full leverage on a punch to deter someone, that were Elbows, Knees, headbutts and eye jabs come in.. or the wrist lock...
I am 195 lbs and can escape the mount from someone who is heavier than me or I can also maintain side control or the mount on bigger guys than me.... We get alot of Rough and tumble badasses roided up muscle heads, cops, military personal all types that try to impose there size and strength, but learn very quickly that proper technique always champions strength....
I'm pretty big so i can usually just toss someone aside if they try to pin me down. I don't do anything fancy just punch and it's been enough so far. ;D
Thats funny....... thats what the 270lb tight end for the Mohegan Sun arena football team thought when he 1st started training MMA with us....
Its all subtle technique bro trust me, not trying to be in a pissing contest with you but again Subtle technique, leg weaves and proper weight distibution is the equalizer for strength ;)
I haven't been able to get to my training stuff for months my legs are probably useless and a 5th grader could throw me. Back before i was into boxing a few years ago i had a friend of mine teach me some throws and stuff (at this point i was probably the pound for pound weakest dude in pennsylvania and for some reason my hardest punch was a heavy left jab mind you im an orthodox :o ). He weighs somewhere between 170-180 and hes ripped and at that time he just tossed me around like a rag doll. It wouldn't be hard to take me down now but atleast i got a punching chance. If i would've gotten in a serious fight back then i would've been handily destroyed.
We call it the bench press.... When you are sitting on someones chest(mount) and they push and extend their arms straining and using all their strength to push you off of them... The dirty trick is to grab one of the arms they are willing giving to you ;D and simply arm bar them....
I feint roll out of positions like that. I act like i'm gonna try a quick shift but then i back off and do it at full force like less then a second later. They usually brace for the false movement and are over committed to that side by the time i do the real thing. I'm not saying it'd work against someone who knows what they're doing but it takes care of the average jobber on the street.
Hey man whatever works for you is great if its saved your ass just once...... But why resist and not learn to grapple and train correctly??
Re: What the F*** is up with these new people?
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Punisher, MMA as we know it today is still early in its inception. The overall athleticism and skill level of its fighters has risen astronomicaly since the first UFC. All fighters work on BJJ now, and all fighters work on takedowns and takedown defense. This is b/c of the dominance that sub artists and GNPers have had in the past. Over the past couple of years we have seen a shift to great strikers that can keep fights standing. I'd expect to see the punching and kicking of MMA fighters improving as well. I still maintain that even with a fighter that has a good boxing background his mma style will still be one with strong differences from boxing and probably still not that appealing to boxing fans. The basic premise of hit and not be hit are still there but w/some important augmentations. I personally enjoy the idea of a total combatant as a sport and have enjoyed watching the sports metamorphisis, but to each his own. When the question of what technique is the best for real world situations, I tell people that Muay Thai mixed with Judo would probably be the best. It offers a striking style with lots of variety and Judo is going to give you the skill set to control your opponent in the clinch. I'm I going to try a knee lock in a bar fight? Probably not, but my training in submission wrestling would help me with controlling my opponent in the close quarters of a real fight. I've never used a joint manipulation in a real fight but I have choked a couple of guys unconscious.
Choking people out is alittle different than submissions (thats the "stun" level i was thinking about) thats probably the best alternative for someone trained in those aspects. I'd say some good boxing and just being in a situation before where you've had to fight while on the ground would help dispatch your average drunken dude who's just talking S*** (and really thats what the majority of people's street opponents are gonna be). I'm sure its a whole different story when that drunk dude is an all state wrestler and has dabbled in some other stuff tho. First time i got taken to the ground in the street it wasn't a total disaster because i remained calm and knew how i was gonna flip him over (huge strength advantage didn't hurt there) but I'm sure if i run into someone who's trained in that stuff its not gonna help me much but it'd be better than not going thru it before.
Most bars I go to or outings are pretty tight quarters, and creating distance is a problem to get full leverage on a punch to deter someone, that were Elbows, Knees, headbutts and eye jabs come in.. or the wrist lock...
I am 195 lbs and can escape the mount from someone who is heavier than me or I can also maintain side control or the mount on bigger guys than me.... We get alot of Rough and tumble badasses roided up muscle heads, cops, military personal all types that try to impose there size and strength, but learn very quickly that proper technique always champions strength....
I'm pretty big so i can usually just toss someone aside if they try to pin me down. I don't do anything fancy just punch and it's been enough so far. ;D
Thats funny....... thats what the 270lb tight end for the Mohegan Sun arena football team thought when he 1st started training MMA with us....
Its all subtle technique bro trust me, not trying to be in a pissing contest with you but again Subtle technique, leg weaves and proper weight distibution is the equalizer for strength ;)
I haven't been able to get to my training stuff for months my legs are probably useless and a 5th grader could throw me. Back before i was into boxing a few years ago i had a friend of mine teach me some throws and stuff (at this point i was probably the pound for pound weakest dude in pennsylvania and for some reason my hardest punch was a heavy left jab mind you im an orthodox :o ). He weighs somewhere between 170-180 and hes ripped and at that time he just tossed me around like a rag doll. It wouldn't be hard to take me down now but atleast i got a punching chance. If i would've gotten in a serious fight back then i would've been handily destroyed.
We call it the bench press.... When you are sitting on someones chest(mount) and they push and extend their arms straining and using all their strength to push you off of them... The dirty trick is to grab one of the arms they are willing giving to you ;D and simply arm bar them....
I feint roll out of positions like that. I act like i'm gonna try a quick shift but then i back off and do it at full force like less then a second later. They usually brace for the false movement and are over committed to that side by the time i do the real thing. I'm not saying it'd work against someone who knows what they're doing but it takes care of the average jobber on the street.
Hey man whatever works for you is great if its saved your ass just once...... But why resist and not learn to grapple and train correctly??
I dunno. When i get my ass whooped i'll change my approach but at this point it gets the job done so i'm rolling with it.
Re: What the fuck is up with these new people?
Now all these mfers are sparking me with sad clicks and don't have the balls to own up to it. >:mad
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Now all these mfers are sparking me with sad clicks and don't have the balls to own up to it. >:mad
Not me dude.... I get secret pussy faig SC'S all the time, I guess thats the price we pay for speaking our mind and voiceing our own opinions :-\
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Now all these mfers are sparking me with sad clicks and don't have the balls to own up to it. >:mad
Not me dude.... I get secret pussy faig SC'S all the time, I guess thats the price we pay for speaking our mind and voiceing our own opinions :-\
I suppose so :(
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Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone  ;D
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Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone   ;D
Ehh you'll have that  ;D They shouldn't hate just because im winning the award for prediction of the year
If the mfers over at the sig request thread would've made me a marciano sig i wouldn't have to show off some smart ass comment i made.
Re: What the F*** is up with these new people?
We are crossed up in our meanings... Leg weaving is when you are in the mount(sitting on your opponents chest-Torso) then put you legs back and weave them with the lying opponent(this is were the gay references come in) JT ROCKSTEADY
I know so little about MMA for someone who talks about it so much. ;D
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Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone ;D
Now that new sig of yours is great.
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The problem is, we dont have Violent Demise working border patrol anymore... He would run those fuckfaces out of town quick, occasionally he would chase a few good ones away, but Fuckit, nothing wrong with a little population control, I mean shat happens..... ;D So when we get a new Fukwit wind up artist we kiss his azz and give 10 :coolclick:'S and have a hug me, suck me, we are all a bunch of happy fukers Saddo welcome, just to find out the new member is useless as tits on a Bull >:mad ;D
it's crazy isn't it....you don't know the importance of a VD until the little ones are running aroud all apeshit and the like!!!!! VD come back!!!!we need someone to put the newbies through a "TEST" to see if they are qualified to be on this site!!! We have no borders!!! The are immigrating in and trying to ruin this esteemed site!!!!! :)
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone ;D
Now that new sig of yours is great.
Glad you like it..... I was thinking about your Marciano sig this morning and I had to laugh since Amat makes them and does really good work, unfortunately you pissed him off in this thread so you'll be holding your azz for along time waiting for him to make you a sig :lolhaha: ;D
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone ;D
Now that new sig of yours is great.
Glad you like it..... I was thinking about your Marciano sig this morning and I had to laugh since Amat makes them and does really good work, unfortunately you pissed him off in this thread so you'll be holding your azz for along time waiting for him to make you a sig :lolhaha: ;D
eh fuck him i'm gonna try to tweak the one i have now to make it better than a marciano sig anyway.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Also your signature probably isint exactly helping your public appeal or endearing yourself to anyone ;D
Now that new sig of yours is great.
Glad you like it..... I was thinking about your Marciano sig this morning and I had to laugh since Amat makes them and does really good work, unfortunately you pissed him off in this thread so you'll be holding your azz for along time waiting for him to make you a sig :lolhaha: ;D
eh F*** him i'm gonna try to tweak the one i have now to make it better than a marciano sig anyway.
I dont know man, you kids need to learn to play nice :P I get into plenty of run ins around here but everyday is a new day and I hold no animosity... We could be at each others throat in a heated discussion on one thread and then agree wholeheartedly on another one... Funny how that works ;)
