Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Gamo, I can see you really believe in Tyson's greatness and I don't want to blast you for feeling that but all due respect, I must say I disagree.
Fair enough man,and honestly,I don't think he was an ATG or anything like that but when he was on top form and mentally stable,he was a force of destruction. If you don't see that then you are missing something. Whos' your fave HW Marciano>?
Gamo , about your Lennox waiting for Tyson to get old comment, it is a pretty well known fact I think that Tysons camp paid Lennox alot of step aside money so Tyson didn;t have to fight him when they were both in their primes (well , when lennox was "prime" could be debated , but prime mike anyway)
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Poom
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Gamo, I can see you really believe in Tyson's greatness and I don't want to blast you for feeling that but all due respect, I must say I disagree.
Fair enough man,and honestly,I don't think he was an ATG or anything like that but when he was on top form and mentally stable,he was a force of destruction. If you don't see that then you are missing something. Whos' your fave HW Marciano>?
Gamo , about your Lennox waiting for Tyson to get old comment, it is a pretty well known fact I think that Tysons camp paid Lennox alot of step aside money so Tyson didn;t have to fight him when they were both in their primes (well , when lennox was "prime" could be debated , but prime mike anyway)
$4m for Lennox to step aside but thats King not Tyson he lost all control of his career once he teamed up with that leech King
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
Well, that was one of the biggest upset in boxing history.
That was also the beginning of Tyson's downfall.
It was the first time he fought somebody who could take a serious punch,who had reach
Tyson's whole career up to them had been carefully massaged.Theres a reason he didnt fight Witherspoon
This is a fine point Mr Smith spoiled it for us by a freak result beating Tim he was the only guy during the unification series who had a chance with Tyson :(
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by Poom
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Gamo, I can see you really believe in Tyson's greatness and I don't want to blast you for feeling that but all due respect, I must say I disagree.
Fair enough man,and honestly,I don't think he was an ATG or anything like that but when he was on top form and mentally stable,he was a force of destruction. If you don't see that then you are missing something. Whos' your fave HW Marciano>?
Gamo , about your Lennox waiting for Tyson to get old comment, it is a pretty well known fact I think that Tysons camp paid Lennox alot of step aside money so Tyson didn;t have to fight him when they were both in their primes (well , when lennox was "prime" could be debated , but prime mike anyway)
$4m for Lennox to step aside but thats King not Tyson he lost all control of his career once he teamed up with that leech King
Yea i agree , I think Tyson had too much ego aswell to duck anyone tbh.
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Basically i believe King ruined Tyson Tyson was to young when champ mentally to look after himself he needed Jacobs and D'mato to look after him King moved in as soon as Jacobs had died and just ruined him
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I was reading some old topic and utter nonsense i was reading im sorry Cockey Cockney i like you man your one of my favorite posters but what you typed here was totally wrong.
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Tyson imo is one of the most overrated boxers of all time the man didn't beat anyone really well if you think beating old shot Holmes or beating the natural Lightheavyweight who only got title getting gifts of a faded Holmes makes him unbeatable your all dreaming Tyson had good skills but when i hear this utter nonsense that Tyson had amazing defense he never got it blah blah is totally wrong the man had talent i never denied it but for people to think he is unbeatable all this other nonsense Cockey Cockney i am not having a go at you mate i was just quoting a post which i totally disagree with and i want people to tell me why they say this because when i watch him i see hw with good talent but nothing unbeatable or this aura of invincibility they think he has am i missing something or what because im just not seeing it folks i want your thoughts.
Prime Tyson has a very good chance of beating all of them. Styles wise Foreman is the one that worries me the most though....
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I was reading some old topic and utter nonsense i was reading im sorry Cockey Cockney i like you man your one of my favorite posters but what you typed here was totally wrong.
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Tyson imo is one of the most overrated boxers of all time the man didn't beat anyone really well if you think beating old shot Holmes or beating the natural Lightheavyweight who only got title getting gifts of a faded Holmes makes him unbeatable your all dreaming Tyson had good skills but when i hear this utter nonsense that Tyson had amazing defense he never got it blah blah is totally wrong the man had talent i never denied it but for people to think he is unbeatable all this other nonsense Cockey Cockney i am not having a go at you mate i was just quoting a post which i totally disagree with and i want people to tell me why they say this because when i watch him i see hw with good talent but nothing unbeatable or this aura of invincibility they think he has am i missing something or what because im just not seeing it folks i want your thoughts.
Prime Tyson has a very good chance of beating all of them. Styles wise Foreman is the one that worries me the most though....
Foreman was the one i thought would cause most problems too
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Foreman was the one i thought would cause most problems too
TysonBruno
I'd like to believe it's Sonny Liston who would be his match.
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Foreman was the one i thought would cause most problems too
TysonBruno
I'd like to believe it's Sonny Liston who would be his match.
CC#414 yes Tyson vs Liston would have been good as Tyson was a massive fan of Liston
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Holmes got HURT vs fighters he wasn't supposed to get hurt by none of those guys did that very often.
I don't consider Holmes near as good of a fighter as Ali....the jab was ok, his power, Eh....I mean who had an iron chin that he beat??? Tex Cobb??? There's no danger in Tex Cobb other than he'll take your power.
Louis beat A TON of fighters....25 title defenses vs anyone and everyone, Tyson's division was almost as weak and he couldn't even come close to that!
Marciano's style was awkward and despite of his lackluster technical skills he could land what he wanted to when he wanted to do it
Also just a clarification I said they would have a good chance vs Tyson....those guys were GREATS they'd have a good chance vs pretty much anyone
Yes Holmes made mistakes everyone does but he was fantastic boxer in his prime Ali had better speed and footwork than Holmes but stamina chin and power is about the same imo but i believe Holmes would have better chance than Rocky and Dempsey and even Louis because Louis was to flatfooted Rocky and Dempsey were to easy to hit and are also flatfooted i just don't see them beating Tyson in all honesty Lyle.
Its just a shame Holmes didn't have Ali's competition would of been great to have seen him in early 70s against the greats.
Well IMO Norton beat Ali 2-1 and well, Holmes beat Norton with one arm ;)
It took Holyfield 12 rounds to deal with Holmes yet he dispatched Tyson inside the distance. That means something to me.
It means Holmes was a wiley, cagey mofo when he wanted to be. In his pirme, sharp n powerfull he would of ruined Tyson over 12 rounds.
'Just ask Buster Douglas' ;D
I like Tyson against alot of these fighters mentioned. Especially the older generation (Pre '65). Size issues n all that.
For me, to be a Tyson beater you have to be big. You have to be 1st and you have to be able to spoil.
Lewis & Holmes defo
Bowe & Ali probably
Foreman maybe
The rest. Phh! No way mate ;)
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
Well, that was one of the biggest upset in boxing history.
That was also the beginning of Tyson's downfall.
It was the first time he fought somebody who could take a serious punch,who had reach
Tyson's whole career up to them had been carefully massaged.Theres a reason he didnt fight Witherspoon
and it was the first time he fought sum1 that had 12 seconds to get up .... he lost that fight cuz he stooped working out and started doing drugs and "fornucating" non stop now its his fault afcourse but still
o byt the way i dont think hes unbeatable i think ali couldve beat him jus cuz of alis style and amazing chin and heart .... hes not unbeatable but pretty damn good ..........legendary
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Holmes got HURT vs fighters he wasn't supposed to get hurt by none of those guys did that very often.
I don't consider Holmes near as good of a fighter as Ali....the jab was ok, his power, Eh....I mean who had an iron chin that he beat??? Tex Cobb??? There's no danger in Tex Cobb other than he'll take your power.
Louis beat A TON of fighters....25 title defenses vs anyone and everyone, Tyson's division was almost as weak and he couldn't even come close to that!
Marciano's style was awkward and despite of his lackluster technical skills he could land what he wanted to when he wanted to do it
Also just a clarification I said they would have a good chance vs Tyson....those guys were GREATS they'd have a good chance vs pretty much anyone
Yes Holmes made mistakes everyone does but he was fantastic boxer in his prime Ali had better speed and footwork than Holmes but stamina chin and power is about the same imo but i believe Holmes would have better chance than Rocky and Dempsey and even Louis because Louis was to flatfooted Rocky and Dempsey were to easy to hit and are also flatfooted i just don't see them beating Tyson in all honesty Lyle.
Its just a shame Holmes didn't have Ali's competition would of been great to have seen him in early 70s against the greats.
Well IMO Norton beat Ali 2-1 and well, Holmes beat Norton with one arm ;)
It took Holyfield 12 rounds to deal with Holmes yet he dispatched Tyson inside the distance. That means something to me.
It means Holmes was a wiley, cagey mofo when he wanted to be. In his pirme, sharp n powerfull he would of ruined Tyson over 12 rounds.
'Just ask Buster Douglas' ;D
I like Tyson against alot of these fighters mentioned. Especially the older generation (Pre '65). Size issues n all that.
For me, to be a Tyson beater you have to be big. You have to be 1st and you have to be able to spoil.
Lewis & Holmes defo
Bowe & Ali probably
Foreman maybe
The rest. Phh! No way mate ;)
Yea agreed Jim people seem to forget that Holmes had bad bicep or tricep injury can't quite remember which it was but anyway he beat Norton with one arm more convincing than Ali ever did forgetting the bullshit close sd if people watch the fight Norton took the first round Holmes then won next 7 or 8 easy as pie then Norton come back winning about 5 on the trot if i remember then he for certain lost 13th or 14th round without question and 15th round was too close to call but Holmes won by atleast 2 rounds with one arm yet Ali even when he beat Norton in 2nd fight which is only one i think he won he done it by no more than 1 round and other fights Norton won imo and alot of people think so aswell really Ali could of had about 8 losses on his record and Holmes would of beat Tyson aswell glad im not alone on this one :coolclick: jim.
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Originally Posted by the phenom
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
Well, that was one of the biggest upset in boxing history.
That was also the beginning of Tyson's downfall.
It was the first time he fought somebody who could take a serious punch,who had reach
Tyson's whole career up to them had been carefully massaged.Theres a reason he didnt fight Witherspoon
and it was the first time he fought sum1 that had 12 seconds to get up .... he lost that fight cuz he stooped working out and started doing drugs and "fornucating" non stop now its his fault afcourse but still
o byt the way i dont think hes unbeatable i think ali couldve beat him jus cuz of alis style and amazing chin and heart .... hes not unbeatable but pretty damn good ..........legendary
You know what ^-^
:coolclick:
Not many people tend to say that these days.
Those who do, usually get shat on from a great hight. :-\
Shame really. I mean we sure could do with a Iron Mike in teh Heavies right now ;)
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Holmes beat Ken over 15 Tyson would have stopped him like foreman did
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Holmes beat Ken over 15 Tyson would have stopped him like foreman did
And that proves what ?? Norton was never good against fast starters or big bombers but if you let him get warmed up he could be dangerous for any hw.
