Official Taylor Vs Pavlik Poll (New Pavlik Training Vid Old School Style!Pg 14!)

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Taylor can't even knock out a chinny welterweight how the hell is he going to stop Pavlik who was unmoved by Mirandas bombs ???

If the fight goes the distance Taylor on account of having bought two of the judges has already won on two card 115-113. The independent judge who hasn't been bought will score the fight fairly and it will read something like 120 -109 Pavlik so a split decision win for Taylor then.........

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Bilbo's got it right on time! For those who say that Taylor ducks no one, please remember that he won all FOUR belts from Hopkins, but then REFUSED to fight Abraham (who Miranda fought) and Sturm (who many think beat DLH). He gave up those two belts, then went from 'hungry' to 'biggest payday.' The Winky fight was not a mandatory, but it would have been since Winky was the #1 for BOTH of his belts. Personally, I like all three of them over Taylor in a fight.

For those who are in the UK, please know that DiBella (promoter) and HBO have a 'kissin' cousins' relationship (via Trinidad/Hopkins days), and the rest was outlined by Bilbo. Clearly, it's more complex than that, but you have to think it odd that Bernard was a small Mwt who fought real guys, and Jermaine is a full Mwt who only now is fighting someone his size.

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Abraham said he needed more time before he faced Taylor. And Strum turned down $750,000 to fight Taylor. So Taylor fought Wright instead. Who's a better fighter than both Abraham and Strum. Taylor has ducked no one.

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That may be the fact, and if so, then I stand corrected (I hope you didn't get that price from DiBella), but you don't lose your belt because the other guy is not ready.

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Taylor can't even knock out a chinny welterweight how the hell is he going to stop Pavlik who was unmoved by Mirandas bombs ???

If the fight goes the distance Taylor on account of having bought two of the judges has already won on two card 115-113. The independent judge who hasn't been bought will score the fight fairly and it will read something like 120 -109 Pavlik so a split decision win for Taylor then.........

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Bilbo's got it right on time! For those who say that Taylor ducks no one, please remember that he won all FOUR belts from Hopkins, but then REFUSED to fight Abraham (who Miranda fought) and Sturm (who many think beat DLH). He gave up those two belts, then went from 'hungry' to 'biggest payday.' The Winky fight was not a mandatory, but it would have been since Winky was the #1 for BOTH of his belts. Personally, I like all three of them over Taylor in a fight.

For those who are in the UK, please know that DiBella (promoter) and HBO have a 'kissin' cousins' relationship (via Trinidad/Hopkins days), and the rest was outlined by Bilbo. Clearly, it's more complex than that, but you have to think it odd that Bernard was a small Mwt who fought real guys, and Jermaine is a full Mwt who only now is fighting someone his size.

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Abraham said he needed more time before he faced Taylor. And Strum turned down $750,000 to fight Taylor. So Taylor fought Wright instead. Who's a better fighter than both Abraham and Strum. Taylor has ducked no one.

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That may be the fact, and if so, then I stand corrected (I hope you didn't get that price from DiBella), but you don't lose your belt because the other guy is not ready.

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The IBF stripped Taylor of the title cause he rematched Bernard Hopkins instead of facing his mandatory which was Sam Soliman. The IBF sets up Sam Soliman-Kingsley Ikeke for the title. But Soliman opts out of the fight to take a bigger money fight against Winky Wright. So the IBF made Abraham-Ikeke. Which is how Abraham became champion.

Violent Demise- I gotta stand down on this one. You really got the history, while I thought the stripping took place after the rematch. You got it straight, so I stand corrected.

But Taylor's still gonna get KTFO!

Peace!

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

Violent Demise- I gotta stand down on this one. You really got the history, while I thought the stripping took place after the rematch. You got it straight, so I stand corrected.

But Taylor's still gonna get KTFO!

Peace!

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CC#15 for the efforts....
Also for making me laugh.... ;D

I love Pavlik, straight punches and he has a wide arsenal. If you look at the flaws and advantages, it's hard not to pick Pavlik.

Pavlik's biggest asset is his pinpoint punching, stalking style and his tremendous power.
Taylor's biggest flaws are his inability to control the ring and his inactivity levels on the backfoot and walking forward versus Spinks.

But it's more then that, don't think we've seen the best Jermain Taylor. I mean he was such an explosive fighter. At least I think he was, then he hung with Hopkins. Wright let him off the hook a bit by getting flatfooted to often in that fight and Taylor got a shady draw.

Now Taylor has been challenged by Steward. Steward has done this before. He absolutely ripped Lennox Lewis to pieces after the McCall loss, saying that even before the loss, nobody was excited for Lewis and that he was destined to be a waste of talent. I'm guessing he did it because he knew Lewis would respond. Now he's gone on the assault against Taylor. Maybe he knows Taylor can rise to the occasion.

It was hard to find many people not excited about Taylor before he faced Hopkins, now people are waiting for him to be knocked off his stool. But the fact remains, he's still the champ and still has 36 rounds with 2 of the 10 best fighters on the planet. And no official losses to show for it. That has to say something.

But I don't think he has enough to keep Pavlik off him for this one. Pavlik is absolutely relentless and he is relentless from the outside which makes him hard to control with a jab, especially with a jab that hasn't been rendered effective for quite some time. I think Pavlik wins a decision in a good fight.

I'm going to go back and forth on this one a lot.

Also, Taylor has got to be given credit. Hate him for what he's done in the ring, but Miranda didn't deserve a shot at Taylor anymore then Mora did and I said that before the Pavlik bout too.

Taylor REALLY impressed me when he went against what his manager wanted for him and took a fight with Winky. As much as that fight made me lose sleep, that was a cool thing for Taylor to do and outside the ring I absolutely love the guy. And I think this could be SUCH a big fight if it was marketed correctly and on network TV, it just makes me sad that it will end up an HBO footnote like Taylor - Wright.

The whiteboy from Youngstown, Ohio who does nothing but get in the ring and fight like a throwback fighter would versus the Arkansas born Olympian who rides ATVs and enters to Lynyrd Skynyrd. I mean it's just such a compelling matchup in the ring and out, yet most won't know about it.

Pavlik could be a legitimate great white hope, but he won't be because the fight will probably be stuck on HBO. If there was one fight I could put on ABC out of all the fights this year, it would be this.

never thought about it like this, but it is that kind of throwback classic bout.

Another excellent match up made for what has been an awesome year for boxing fans imo. I favour Kelly in this BUT JT has not really been motivated for a fight for a while,possibly since the Winky fight. Against Spinks,he was fighting a slick mover and v Ouma,he gassed and underestimated Kassim.

Kelly is going to be a standing target so this will give JT more options. The most important punch in this fight is JT's jab. He NEEDS it to be firing on all cylinders,something which it has not done since before the first B Hop fight. JT needs to use some slight lateral movement too. Pavlik is a monster,a power punching wrecking machine BUT he has feet really really firmly entrenched in the canvas. I think the jab and lots of lateral movement will prevent him from being able to settle.

Having said that,if JT does not use the jab,and if he gets gassed,which as we all know,he is prone to doing,Pavlike could catch up to him in the middle to late rounds. I cannot envisage JT standing toe to toe for the entirety of this bout because I don't think he puts his punches together as well as Kelly,nor does he have the stamina or power to match Pavlik.

JT has a alot more to do then Pavlik,so I'll go for Pavlik but I think people will be suprised that the fight will be alot closer than they imagined.

http://15rounds.com/boxing/News/2007...lor-070107.php

Can't wait to see Taylor in a fight ;D

I hope this is on sky sports

Or Setanta ;)

european dates are confusing eventho they are actually increasing units of time (Day/Month/Year as opposed to the american and always backwards like with everything else Month/day/year).

Anyway as i've said before, september is becoming a few good month for the sport. You really can't say taylor has ducked anybody and this promises to be a decent fight.

Pavlick will make him fight so i'm looking forward to this one.

I totally agree

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Pavlick will make him fight so i'm looking forward to this one.

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I think and hope Pavlik KHTFO!!