Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Wlad has fought by far the best competition of any HW since Lewis...
byrd beat vitali.. concidered a dangerous threat the first time they fought....
peter was a very dangerous opponent for him especially at that point in his career, sanders was a risky fight, both brewster fights were risky all very hard punchers...
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
Since Lewis left hw era has been weak so thats not saying whole lot is it ?? Byrd only beat Vitali because of injury Vitali had plus Vitali was dominating Byrd 1st Brewster fight was not a risk Brewster had beaten nobody at that time and was not really considered to give Wlad trouble at all so that is why it was considered a major upset i agree with Sanders fight though.
sanders and peter was very dangerous...
regardless of who brewter beat everyone knew he hits with a load and although people thought he would beat him he was still concidered dangerous.. byrd was concidered one of the best HW defencively currently(i know i know that aint saying much)
HEY ICE me and you disagree on almost everything but i can really appreciate your debating skills and boxing knowledge.. when i debate alot of people about hatton, klitch, calzaghe its very annoying because they are all about opinions, and you come with the facts (or close to it ;D) and i know your young, i cant imagine your boxing knowledge when you get in your 30's ..
cc to ya ICE for giving me legit debates... not just a bunch of nonsense..
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
everyone wants a dominant heavyweight and one comes along and all of a sudden he ain't F****** good enough for you.
NOPE, DEFINETLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!! I can go down to the local highschool and slap around some freshman and proclaim dominance... The 1 stat I wouldnt be proud of my heavyweight champ breaking IS FUKIN JABS PER ROUND ::** Gimme a gotdam break
He is Mediocre at best when compared to his prodecessors and takes some of the toughness out of the Heavyweight title
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Dorfmeister
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
he'll fade away..because Vitaly is coming back this nov..and he's the real champion...
Sorry JonesJrMayweather, now JT Rock is absolutely right and
I find amusing how he and Punisher agree on this one, with your statement I can't agree with... Since you seem to be a wise, senseful and pretty neutral fan, man, let me ask ya... How come Vitaly sticks that left lead and leans his head back as he does so? Then combines the jab with a fast right but discharges the power and leaves the right hand there ( even vs Kirk Johnson)??? The guy is so damn tentative and cautious that if he didn't have power he wouldn't be better than Henry Akinwande...
The real Champ that quitter ( vs Byrd, never fought Rahman), get outa here!!!
He's coming back and would you wanna take byrd's or rahman's chances of beating Vitali here on out for the rest of their career? I didn't think so. The byrd thing was THE luckiest break in boxing history and rahman isn't good enough to be "ducked" (his claim to fame is a ko against an out of shape lennox lewis who took him,lightly, ir efer you to the rematch). Why is Vitali a better champ despite his less refined skills you ask? Because Vitali was never dropped 4 times in 2 rounds to look like a helpless infant fighting a bear. He was holding his own against lennox (something wlad could never do) and thats his only legit loss. Yeah he quit against byrd and because of it byrd has been hyped up to something much better than he actually is but i'll take vitali over any boxer in this division right now given the fact that he is healthy.
Yeah, Punisher, that's reasonable, Vitaly never has been put in the situation Wlad was against Sanders and in Germany for God's sake... Vitaly held on to the Lewis attack and Wlad can't do that unless he "takes a knee" or clinches and pushes ya to jab ya once again. But I disagree in which concerns to Chris Byrd who is slick enough to discourage a banger like Tua... I also would not risk my House on Vitaly's health though, knee surgery, shoulder injuries, twice backed off Rahman to the point of that helpless 260 pounder becoming interim champ and then fighting flabby Toney to a draw and snore fest? I don't know if Jameel is gonna break the Klitschko's dream of "Brothers World Champs", man, 6'6'' tall McCline was 11 months in solitary in Attica, man!!!
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Lyle it don't matter who Wlad beats if its like this, Sam Peter (before the fight)the fans say Wlad is going down (after the fight )OH he won't win next time.Calvin Brock (before the fight)the fans say Wlad will lose (after the fight ) Brock OH brock ain't shit.Chris Byrd (before the fight)the fans say I think Byrd will get him this time(after the fight )OH man Byrds washed up.LOL Say what they want but their guys can't take Wlad down through there so they bring up fighters from the past and say IF and say the HW devision is full of bums.Well it's not full of bums it just don't have the fighters that were compeating 7 to 10 years ago it has new blood (just as tough and determined as the ones before) that have yet to make their mark and for some reason that's unacceptable.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Lyle it don't matter who Wlad beats if its like this, Sam Peter (before the fight)the fans say Wlad is going down (after the fight )OH he won't win next time.Calvin Brock (before the fight)the fans say Wlad will lose (after the fight ) Brock OH brock ain't shit.Chris Byrd (before the fight)the fans say I think Byrd will get him this time(after the fight )OH man Byrds washed up.LOL Say what they want but their guys can't take Wlad down through there so they bring up fighters from the past and say
IF and say the HW devision is full of bums.Well it's not full of bums it just don't have the fighters that were compeating 7 to 10 years ago it has new blood (just as tough and determined as the ones before) that have yet to make their mark and for some reason that's unacceptable.
I knew he was gonna beat brock and byrd (if he didn't he should've retired right there). Peter's still a question mark but he has improved a lot since their fight (apparently only wlad is allowed to receive credit for improving after a loss).
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
Wlad avenged a loss....this was much more like the Lewis-McCall II fight than anything I expected...but it's somethign everyone said he needed to do and he did it and now he gets no credit because Brewster wasn't the same Brewster....OR WAS HE????
Lamon was the same Brewster who got the shit kicked out of him for 4 rounds the last time they fought, only this time Wladimir fought at a good pace (still very active but more in control) and he won.
Punisher your threats are meaningless to me as I am no fair weather fan.....I am a Boston Red Sox fan, I've been one for my whole life through the thin........and there was a TON of thin......and the thick which has been since 2004. I don't change just because someone wins or loses and that's what being a fan is.
You'd be off the wall had Wlad lost....and you keep waiting for it to come around again and it's just fucking sad. You're waiting for someone specific to lose and not someone to win....it would be different if you were a huge Brewster fan and you wanted him to win....but you're a Wlad hater, and as soon as you admit you have a problem the sooner you can get help for it ;D
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Wlad has fought by far the best competition of any HW since Lewis...
byrd beat vitali.. concidered a dangerous threat the first time they fought....
peter was a very dangerous opponent for him especially at that point in his career, sanders was a risky fight, both brewster fights were risky all very hard punchers...
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
Since Lewis left hw era has been weak so thats not saying whole lot is it ?? Byrd only beat Vitali because of injury Vitali had plus Vitali was dominating Byrd 1st Brewster fight was not a risk Brewster had beaten nobody at that time and was not really considered to give Wlad trouble at all so that is why it was considered a major upset i agree with Sanders fight though.
sanders and peter was very dangerous...
regardless of who brewter beat everyone knew he hits with a load and although people thought he would beat him he was still concidered dangerous.. byrd was concidered one of the best HW defencively currently(i know i know that aint saying much)
HEY ICE me and you disagree on almost everything but i can really appreciate your debating skills and boxing knowledge.. when i debate alot of people about hatton, klitch, calzaghe its very annoying because they are all about opinions, and you come with the facts (or close to it ;D) and i know your young, i cant imagine your boxing knowledge when you get in your 30's ..
cc to ya ICE for giving me legit debates... not just a bunch of nonsense..
Fair enough that was well said :coolclick:
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
IN a kingdom of blind people, the one eyed man is king. That sums up Wlad
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
Calling you out Lyle...... C'mon your tighty whiteys are all tasngled up your poop shoot over people actually crediting Klit, but not wanting to be fans of his.. BUT you S*** all over Floyd Mayweather who is 300X the fighter and Champ that WLad is or will ever be...
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be  ;)
its not all about the gold either, its the aura of invincibility, the skill and the prominence
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be
I'll take that bet ;)
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Calling you out Lyle...... C'mon your tighty whiteys are all tasngled up your poop shoot over people actually crediting Klit, but not wanting to be fans of his.. BUT you S*** all over Floyd Mayweather who is 300X the fighter and Champ that WLad is or will ever be...
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be ;)
its not all about the gold either, its the aura of invincibility, the skill and the prominence
If there was a Superheavyweight, SUPERDUPER Heavyweight division and so on Wlad would still have belts in all those divisions....his size limits him to one division.
Floyd doesn't want tough fights....you tell me that Wladimir taking a shot at the undefeated on the rise SAM PETER wasn't a risk???? Wlad has fought (and beat) better opponents than anyone else in the entire division.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be
I'll take that bet ;)
Lol..Aside from the divisions.. Its still impossible to get 6 legit titles in the one division..
And hating aside.. Wlad just doesnt have the tools to be considered p4p in my opinion..
He will be a great heavyweight success..But the odds are gravely against p4p contention
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be
I'll take that bet ;)
Lol..Aside from the divisions.. Its still impossible to get 6 legit titles in the one division..
;D
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Calling you out Lyle...... C'mon your tighty whiteys are all tasngled up your poop shoot over people actually crediting Klit, but not wanting to be fans of his.. BUT you S*** all over Floyd Mayweather who is 300X the fighter and Champ that WLad is or will ever be...
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be ;)
its not all about the gold either, its the aura of invincibility, the skill and the prominence
If there was a Superheavyweight, SUPERDUPER Heavyweight division and so on Wlad would still have belts in all those divisions....his size limits him to one division.
Floyd doesn't want tough fights....you tell me that Wladimir taking a shot at the undefeated on the rise SAM PETER wasn't a risk????
Wlad has fought (and beat) better opponents than anyone else in the entire division.
not about the championships..... ITS A SHITTY DIVISION!!!! the level of comp floyd has fought is still better in relation to what Wlad has done..... Wlad is lucky to be in this era.. 10-15 years earlier he would be passed around like some prison bitch as Holyfield, Lewis,Tyson, Bowe, Morrison and company would have their way with him
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS
Take a good look at my sig line junior, thats a scene Wlad will never be
I'll take that bet ;)
Lol..Aside from the divisions.. Its still impossible to get 6 legit titles in the one division..
And hating aside.. Wlad just doesnt have the tools to be considered p4p in my opinion..
He will be a great heavyweight success..But the odds are gravely against p4p contention
Like I said its not about the titles, its the prominence and prestige it represents :)
