P4P in the future?

Defiantely agree with Ponce de Leon also Ivan Calderon and Rey Bautista a big shout out for the little guys ! ;D

Juan Diaz has the skills to be top 10 in the future, imo.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

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Bilbo I have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don't buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He\'ll beat the journeyman fighter (N\'dou) but he\'ll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He\'ll have a hard time at 154.

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I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don\'t hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he\'ll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don\'t see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I\'m going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He\'s a good fighter. But he\'s not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don\'t see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He\'ll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

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Bilbo I have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don\'t buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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Despite his arrogance and bluntness, I think Violent Demise has one of the best boxing minds in this forum.

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1 Miguel Cotto: He lost to Margarito in his youth, but his experience, intelligence, and staying power earned him the top spot.
2 Manny Pacquiao: Finally he faced someone who could decision him. He fought many great wars.
3 Andy Lee: Won a belt over a well known fighter, through a risky gamble with the champ.
4 Kelly Pavlik: Very poplar in Vegas, many compare his venues to Tyson type auras.
5 Antonio Margarito: Aging now, but always consistent, he lost, but always brought his A-game, a Hagler type.
6 Joan Guzman: He lost to Manny when he was younger, had wars with now aging Soto, but when Pac is gone, he is sure to take over.
7 Wladimir Klitschko: Him and Steward made a great team.
8 Mikkel Kessler: Germany loves this kid, he's had his ups and downs but he's legit.
9 Pauli Malinaggi: Down in the pound for pound list, from being number 7.
10 Rafael Marquez: Nemesis, Vazquez, has recently announced his retirement.
11 Edwin Valero: Still fighting in Japan, can't find a marquee matchup to break the top ten, but keeps winning.

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First of all - I like this list. I think too many people here overestimate how much things will change in 5 years. Honestly, looking at todays potential php's, quite many are at least a few years older than 30. Put in another way - it is much easier to stay in a p4p list than to get there. So most names on the list are likely to be boxers who are already well known now, perhaps even fighters who could arguably be considered world class already.

Anyway, I dont have the knowledge to make even a so-so list. But I thought I would make a list of 10 fighters who are yet to be named in this thread, and who I feel could feature in a p4p list in 5 years. But bear in mind that any fighter on the current p4p-list, as well as those prospects mentioned by others have as good - or better - chance of eventually being there.

In no particular order:

- Humberto Soto (27). People are already talking about him as a threat. In 5 years MAB, JMM and perhaps even Pacquaio are likely to be away, and then he could very well be among the biggest names below 140.

- Giovanni Lorenzo (26). Middleweight prospect. Should get a title shot within 2-3 years, could very well take it. Also, if Taylor, Pavlik etc moves up (and we all expect them to do that), he has as good a shot as anybody at ruling 160.

- Jorge Linares (21). 23-0 and with a Vegas debut coming up, I am surprised he is a not a feature on everybody's lists.

- Michael Katsidis (26). I honestly dont know if he has the tools, but at least his style will bring him fans and - hopefully - therefore big fights. And he is surely more likely to take p4p advantage of this than John Duddy.

- Zaurbek Baysangurov (22). No, I dont believe this one either. But I really wanted to include a Russian (or ex-Soviet) fighter, and I am not really familiar with that many prospects from that area (especially if we are not counting heavyweights). And I truly believe that Russia and Russian money has the potential to change the sport a fair bit within the next years. Everybody who follows (English) football know how much Russian Oil (and gas) money can alter a sport, and if they start throwing their weight behind boxing - well, expect them to be a force. Just this fall we will see a number of intriguing HW match-ups in Russia, expect much more of this in the years to come.

- Lucian Bute (27). Somebody already mentioned Jean Pascal, Bute is the other interesting SMW coming out of Canada. Expect him to win the IBF title this year, and if he can hang in there in possibly the most interesting division in the years to come, he might just creep in at a low number on the p4p-rankings.

- Yoan Pablo Hernandez (22). Former Cuban Olympian, now pro cruiserweight and fighting out of Germany. Not quite the potential of an Odlanier Solis, but since I refuse to include heavyweights on a p4p-list, Hernandez it is.

- Daniel Ponce De Leon (26). Hmm. It's not impossible, especially not if the other big names around his weight class start to slip and/or retire.

- Hozumi Hasegawa (26). Stays in Japan, but retains his WBC belt and eventually gains respect. Has hit eye set on domestic mega-fight against Koki Kameda.

- Arthur Abraham (27). Stays relatively protected in Germany, perhaps having 8-10 fights in those 5 years. As he keeps winning against at least semi-respected fighters, he eventually creeps in on the lower end of the p4p ranking.

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Thanks :coolclick: I think mine's the most realistic too. ;)

I have intentionally stayed away from seriously posting on this thread. It's an impossible task to figure what will happen in 5 years. But in the spirit of the thread I'll throw a couple names out there that I would'nt be surprised if they were top guys in a few years. Maybe stir things up a little more. Andre Ward, Andre Dirrell (even though he's been boxing like a thief, he's still chalkin up the W's), Andy Lee, Rock Allen, Lamont Peterson, & Anthony Peterson. IMO especially Anthony Peterson (my frontrunner to be a very good & exciting champ). There could be something special about this kid.

I don't think any of these guys were mentioned, with the exception of Andy Lee. Alot can happen in 5 years. There will be some guys that will come out of nowhere & get to stardom. These are a few that I think have a chance to be top guys.

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uhh, your the one who didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said paul at what he had written the #1 had made me lose interest in going any further with her list, because paul p4p has got to be a joke.

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paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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It seems you cannot even read your OWN posts correctly. :stupid:

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Bilbo have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don't buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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VD is ok, at least he tries to rationlise his viewpoints and provide arguments for his beliefs.

Julius Rain however has consistently posted like a moron since he joined.

I thought your list was ok and Paulie has done well so far in his career. At the end of the day he put up a better showing against Cotto than Judah did and Judah DID get into the Top 10 p4p ;)

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Bilbo have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don't buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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VD is ok, at least he tries to rationlise his viewpoints and provide arguments for his beliefs.

Julius Rain however has consistently posted like a moron since he joined.

I thought your list was ok and Paulie has done well so far in his career. At the end of the day he put up a better showing against Cotto than Judah did and Judah DID get into the Top 10 p4p ;)

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haha did I??? truth is BILBO buddy boi, I've made you feel like a moron throughout our days here in saddo. ;)

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Bilbo have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don't buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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VD is ok, at least he tries to rationlise his viewpoints and provide arguments for his beliefs.

Julius Rain however has consistently posted like a moron since he joined.

I thought your list was ok and Paulie has done well so far in his career. At the end of the day he put up a better showing against Cotto than Judah did and Judah DID get into the Top 10 p4p ;)

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haha did I??? truth is BILBO buddy boi, I've made you feel like a moron throughout our days here in saddo. ;)

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Yes you are correct, many time's now I have slapped my head to my forehead and shouted 'God Darn that Julius has made a fool of me again' ::**

It's your rapier wit that always throws me off guard and has me feeling humiliated and beaten. ::**

But I feel I should thankyou for being the first poster I've had a flame war with who didn't resort to calling me Dildo. :P

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Bilbo have learned quickly that Violent Demise like just just complain and pick apart everything everyone post so I take anything he says with no actual validness to it. Even though he does at times make me laugh.
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As far as Malinaggi goes in 5 years I will be the one being sarcastic because he will be on the P4P list.

I don't buy that power is going to keep him off the list BS. Paul is what 23? 24? and getting better. Power means nothing if you can box and have a good chin.

If power was that important then Hector Camacho Sr and Pernell Whitiker must be the luckiest fighters to ever grace the ring

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VD is ok, at least he tries to rationlise his viewpoints and provide arguments for his beliefs.

Julius Rain however has consistently posted like a moron since he joined.

I thought your list was ok and Paulie has done well so far in his career. At the end of the day he put up a better showing against Cotto than Judah did and Judah DID get into the Top 10 p4p ;)

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haha did I??? truth is BILBO buddy boi, I've made you feel like a moron throughout our days here in saddo. ;)

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Yes you are correct, many time's now I have slapped my head to my forehead and shouted 'God Darn that Julius has made a fool of me again' ::**

It's your rapier wit that always throws me off guard and has me feeling humiliated and beaten. ::**

But I feel I should thankyou for being the first poster I've had a flame war with who didn't resort to calling me Dildo. :P

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haha don't worry Bilbo is a good name, but yea it does rhyme with dildo ;D

I've already accociated the name BILBO to a bold fat doode, because of james toney as your avator. It suits the name BILBO, but if ever you replace the B with a D your gonna have to change your avator to OSCAR DELA HOYA ;D

OSCAR "DAH DILDO" DELA HOYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the ladies will love and appreciate that hahahahaha ;D

In five years Ike could be out and undisputed heavyweight champion , anyone agree ? :D

Chagaev

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