Re: Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe
Terry Nutkins doesn't no sfa about boxing. How many of his posts have actually been related to boxing? Terry is one of those posters who, empowered by the anomity of the internet, uses forums such as this to feed his superiorty complex over others. In short he's an ass clown.
Re: Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe
NO, Lewis isnt comng out of retirement for anyone.
Regarding the cut on Klitschko, it speaks for itself - every time Lewis is mentioned, the cut on Klit is mentioned - tells me one thing - the stoppage was highly controversial
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Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn't been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox's last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.
Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko'd by Sanders.
Hey Rotten, I couldn't agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I've ever seen in a fight.
I was implying that Ali took too many fights and even his trainer Angulo Dundee said he had 3 fights too many. Dr Ferdie Pacheo left the Ali camp because he knew Ali was already ill, call it punchdrunk or Parkinsons. The 2 Leon Spinks fights, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick fights never should have happened as it was clear that Ali was already damaged. But you seem to think he retired at the right time? No way!
Lennox knew his skills, motivation etc had lessened and called it a day. He won the Klitschko fight and retired and he has his health incheck.
Obviously you want fighters to go on past their best and risk serious damage which I find an appalling way of thinking.
Boxing is not a game it's a hurt business.
Also Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as his brother so how you figure he would win when he got sparked by Corrie Sanders and then Lamon Brewster is beyond comprehension.
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No I haven\\\'t heard from terry. I honestly think that he is a loyal Hatton forum poster and just comes on here occassionally when it is down, considering he has so few posts in such a span of time. I enjoy Hatton\\\'s work myself so I\\\'m not saying anything ill in that regard.
While I did enjoy the heated argument with all its verbs and nouns we didn\\\'t accomplish anything but getting VD banned. I think Terry is such a know-it-all that even if someone who really knew boxing (which I don\\\'t) brought up a truly valid point or argument in some unique light that Terry hadn\\\'t thought of that he wouldn\\\'t really consider it.......which is his loss.
Love to be on the outside of heated arguments looking in rather than the other way around. I\\\'d be interested to see the next time TN and VD come together. I\\\'d also like to think that TN is a reasonable man considering the way he writes but I haven\\\'t seen enough of his posts to see if he has accepted someone elses view.
Terry\\\'s a fraud. The posts where he uses big words are pretty much copied from a poster over at Cyber Boxing. All Terry did was tweaked it a little. Which is probably why he doesn\\\'t post as much. He doesn\\\'t have much to say. I think Violent Demise blows him out in any boxing debate. Violent\\\'s posts shows he knows his boxing. Terry hasn\\\'t proven that. In my opinion that is
I certainly hope Violent Demise isn't banned from here- he's a top poster. I have seen him posting alot over on BoxingBanter recently.
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Originally Posted by slk123
Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn't been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox's last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.
Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko'd by Sanders.
Hey Rotten, I couldn't agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I've ever seen in a fight.
I was implying that Ali took too many fights and even his trainer Angulo Dundee said he had 3 fights too many. Dr Ferdie Pacheo left the Ali camp because he knew Ali was already ill, call it punchdrunk or Parkinsons. The 2 Leon Spinks fights, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick fights never should have happened as it was clear that Ali was already damaged. But you seem to think he retired at the right time? No way!
Lennox knew his skills, motivation etc had lessened and called it a day. He won the Klitschko fight and retired and he has his health incheck.
Obviously you want fighters to go on past their best and risk serious damage which I find an appalling way of thinking.
Boxing is not a game it's a hurt business.
Also Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as his brother so how you figure he would win when he got sparked by Corrie Sanders and then Lamon Brewster is beyond comprehension.
I don't know but I think Wlad's chin was as good as Lewis'. I'll check with McCall and Rahman on that one.
So It's it's popular opinion that Ali fought too long. Fine, I can admit I was wrong, he didn't retire at the right time, he retired 3 fights past the right time.
As for fighters in general, it is absurd for you to think I want them to continue past their best and risk serious damage. I wouldn't be a FAN of boxing if I felt that way.
As for Lewis, popular opinion at the time was that the only "real" competion out there were the Klitschko bros. It would have served to cement his legacy had he fought and won a decisive victory, as in, out boxing Vitali rather than the fight ending with Lewis being out boxed. Lewis came in fat and out of shape in the Rahman I fight and it cost him dearly. Just look at the difference in how Lewis looked between I and II. There was no comparison and even Lewis himself admitted he didn't want to work to get in to shape anymore BUT he couldn't very well go out on a KO so he trained hard to fight Rahman again. So he comes in out of shape again but gets the win via a tko by a cut then retires. Way to take the easy road out. IMO he knew he had his a** handed to him and he had no answers so he wasn't going to train hard in order to take another a** whipping. I can guarantee you though, had HE been stopped by cuts or KO, he definately wouldn't have retired.
Lewis didn't retire because he was too old, he retired because he was too lazy. There have been more than a couple of fighters going past 40 and you don't see them saying "well I'm too old but I continue to fight anyway".
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Originally Posted by slk123
Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn't been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox's last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.
Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko'd by Sanders.
Hey Rotten, I couldn't agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I've ever seen in a fight.
I was implying that Ali took too many fights and even his trainer Angulo Dundee said he had 3 fights too many. Dr Ferdie Pacheo left the Ali camp because he knew Ali was already ill, call it punchdrunk or Parkinsons. The 2 Leon Spinks fights, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick fights never should have happened as it was clear that Ali was already damaged. But you seem to think he retired at the right time? No way!
Lennox knew his skills, motivation etc had lessened and called it a day. He won the Klitschko fight and retired and he has his health incheck.
Obviously you want fighters to go on past their best and risk serious damage which I find an appalling way of thinking.
Boxing is not a game it's a hurt business.
Also Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as his brother so how you figure he would win when he got sparked by Corrie Sanders and then Lamon Brewster is beyond comprehension.
So It's it's popular opinion that Ali fought too long. Fine, I can admit I was wrong, he didn't retire at the right time, he retired 3 fights past the right time.
As for fighters in general, it is absurd for you to think I want them to continue past their best and risk serious damage. I wouldn't be a FAN of boxing if I felt that way.
I don't know but I think Wlad's chin was as good as Lewis'. I'll check with McCall and Rahman on that one.
As for Lewis, popular opinion at the time was that the only "real" competion out there were the Klitschko bros. It would have served to cement his legacy had he fought and won a decisive victory, as in, out boxing Vitali rather than the fight ending with Lewis being out boxed. Lewis came in fat and out of shape in the Rahman I fight and it cost him dearly. Just look at the difference in how Lewis looked between I and II. There was no comparison and even Lewis himself admitted he didn't want to work to get in to shape anymore BUT he couldn't very well go out on a KO so he trained hard to fight Rahman again. So he comes in out of shape again but gets the win via a tko by a cut then retires. Way to take the easy road out. IMO he knew he had his a** handed to him and he had no answers so he wasn't going to train hard in order to take another a** whipping. I can guarantee you though, had HE been stopped by cuts or KO, he definately wouldn't have retired.
Lewis didn't retire because he was too old, he retired because he was too lazy. There have been more than a couple of fighters going past 40 and you don't see them saying "well I'm too old but I continue to fight anyway".
I don't know but I think Wlad's chin was as good as Lewis'. I'll check with McCall and Rahman on that one.
Thats nonsense everytime Wlad gets hit on the chin he goes down or wobbles and gets stopped Lewis was stopped by punches that would of koed most hws and also proved having better chin than Wlad taking flush shots off Holyfield, Mercer, Briggs, Bruno, Mason, Tucker, Tua, Vitali,
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Originally Posted by slk123
Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn\'t been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox\'s last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.
Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko\'d by Sanders.
Hey Rotten, I couldn\'t agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I\'ve ever seen in a fight.
I was implying that Ali took too many fights and even his trainer Angulo Dundee said he had 3 fights too many. Dr Ferdie Pacheo left the Ali camp because he knew Ali was already ill, call it punchdrunk or Parkinsons. The 2 Leon Spinks fights, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick fights never should have happened as it was clear that Ali was already damaged. But you seem to think he retired at the right time? No way!
Lennox knew his skills, motivation etc had lessened and called it a day. He won the Klitschko fight and retired and he has his health incheck.
Obviously you want fighters to go on past their best and risk serious damage which I find an appalling way of thinking.
Boxing is not a game it\'s a hurt business.
Also Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as his brother so how you figure he would win when he got sparked by Corrie Sanders and then Lamon Brewster is beyond comprehension.
I don\'t know but I think Wlad\'s chin was as good as Lewis\'. I\'ll check with McCall and Rahman on that one.
So It\'s it\'s popular opinion that Ali fought too long. Fine, I can admit I was wrong, he didn\'t retire at the right time, he retired 3 fights past the right time.
As for fighters in general, it is absurd for you to think I want them to continue past their best and risk serious damage. I wouldn\'t be a FAN of boxing if I felt that way.
As for Lewis, popular opinion at the time was that the only \"real\" competion out there were the Klitschko bros. It would have served to cement his legacy had he fought and won a decisive victory, as in, out boxing Vitali rather than the fight ending with Lewis being out boxed. Lewis came in fat and out of shape in the Rahman I fight and it cost him dearly. Just look at the difference in how Lewis looked between I and II. There was no comparison and even Lewis himself admitted he didn\'t want to work to get in to shape anymore BUT he couldn\'t very well go out on a KO so he trained hard to fight Rahman again. So he comes in out of shape again but gets the win via a tko by a cut then retires. Way to take the easy road out. IMO he knew he had his a** handed to him and he had no answers so he wasn\'t going to train hard in order to take another a** whipping. I can guarantee you though, had HE been stopped by cuts or KO, he definately wouldn\'t have retired.
Lewis didn\'t retire because he was too old, he retired because he was too lazy. There have been more than a couple of fighters going past 40 and you don\'t see them saying \"well I\'m too old but I continue to fight anyway\".
Nothing of what you say really matters. Cuz bottom line is Klitschko was stopped on a cut caused by a punch. Not a head butt. But a punch. It don\'t matter if Lewis was down 11 rounds to none. He caused a nasty cut on Vitali with a legal punch. It was a legit win. He didn\'t owe Klitschko anything
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yea but look at the heavyweights that go past 40 listen to them speak they sound retarded and then look at lewis speech sounds just as intelligent as he did when he started fighting he did not quit form laziness he just know when to stop which many heavies dont know when
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Originally Posted by slk123
Ali quit when he was 39 yrs old and had 56 fights. The competition in many peoples opinion (not mine) was better at that time so it stands to reason that he retired. Lennox on the other hand quit at 38 yrs old and had only 41 fights. The competition at that time and since then, hasn\'t been as good (again not my opinion) with the exception of two very good fighters, the Klitschkos. Lennox\'s last fight left many people believing he was well on his way to a loss before the cut and in order to prove himself, needed to fight the rematch.
Instead, he quit/retired in fear of a rematch due to the fact he would actually have to train hard in order to win decisively. He realized that Vitali was much more game than imagined and his brother was a better boxer than Lewis and would most probably win because of his heart and determination even though he just got tko\'d by Sanders.
Hey Rotten, I couldn\'t agree with you more that it was a good stoppage. That was one of the ugliest cuts I\'ve ever seen in a fight.
I was implying that Ali took too many fights and even his trainer Angulo Dundee said he had 3 fights too many. Dr Ferdie Pacheo left the Ali camp because he knew Ali was already ill, call it punchdrunk or Parkinsons. The 2 Leon Spinks fights, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick fights never should have happened as it was clear that Ali was already damaged. But you seem to think he retired at the right time? No way!
Lennox knew his skills, motivation etc had lessened and called it a day. He won the Klitschko fight and retired and he has his health incheck.
Obviously you want fighters to go on past their best and risk serious damage which I find an appalling way of thinking.
Boxing is not a game it\'s a hurt business.
Also Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as his brother so how you figure he would win when he got sparked by Corrie Sanders and then Lamon Brewster is beyond comprehension.
I don\'t know but I think Wlad\'s chin was as good as Lewis\'. I\'ll check with McCall and Rahman on that one.
So It\'s it\'s popular opinion that Ali fought too long. Fine, I can admit I was wrong, he didn\'t retire at the right time, he retired 3 fights past the right time.
As for fighters in general, it is absurd for you to think I want them to continue past their best and risk serious damage. I wouldn\'t be a FAN of boxing if I felt that way.
As for Lewis, popular opinion at the time was that the only \"real\" competion out there were the Klitschko bros. It would have served to cement his legacy had he fought and won a decisive victory, as in, out boxing Vitali rather than the fight ending with Lewis being out boxed. Lewis came in fat and out of shape in the Rahman I fight and it cost him dearly. Just look at the difference in how Lewis looked between I and II. There was no comparison and even Lewis himself admitted he didn\'t want to work to get in to shape anymore BUT he couldn\'t very well go out on a KO so he trained hard to fight Rahman again. So he comes in out of shape again but gets the win via a tko by a cut then retires. Way to take the easy road out. IMO he knew he had his a** handed to him and he had no answers so he wasn\'t going to train hard in order to take another a** whipping. I can guarantee you though, had HE been stopped by cuts or KO, he definately wouldn\'t have retired.
Lewis didn\'t retire because he was too old, he retired because he was too lazy. There have been more than a couple of fighters going past 40 and you don\'t see them saying \"well I\'m too old but I continue to fight anyway\".
Nothing of what you say really matters. Cuz bottom line is Klitschko was stopped on a cut caused by a punch. Not a head butt. But a punch. It don\'t matter if Lewis was down 11 rounds to none. He caused a nasty cut on Vitali with a legal punch. It was a legit win. He didn\'t owe Klitschko anything
CC Rotten Apple. That was what I was trying to say in the genesis of this thread.
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yea but look at the heavyweights that go past 40 listen to them speak they sound retarded and then look at lewis speech sounds just as intelligent as he did when he started fighting he did not quit form laziness he just know when to stop which many heavies dont know when
That's not fair, Evander always sounded like that.  ;D
Thanks for your input.
Thank you also to Born, Welsh, Rotten, Booze and Ice.
Re: Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe
I don't ever see Lewis coming out of retirement...for Bowe or anyone... plus he has nothing to prove from his era...
He did what was required of him then got out....and apart from a re match with Klitchko there was nothing else for him, and though Klitch was ahead on points when stopped... you could see it was coming as Lewis had took his best shots and was starting to hammer home his own to better effect.. :badass:
Re: Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe
No way in hell lewis comes back for bowe. and theres one word that explains why
Vitali
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No way in hell lewis comes back for bowe. and theres one word that explains why
Vitali
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Re: Would LEWIS come out of retirment to box Bowe
I never cared for Lewis and still dont, but he was the best of the bunch and as a real heavyeight he couldnt move up or down in weight so there is nothing else for him to do inside the ring. I think he retired at the perfect time and showed other boxers that it is a good way to go out. He beat Vitali as fair as it gets and whether or not Vitali deserved a rematch was soley up to Lennox. He was the champion, not Vitali and as far as im concerned he didnt and still doesnt owe Vitali a rematch.
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Did Vitali retire cos he was scared of Hasim Rahman? Now that Hasim Rahman is on the slide- Vitali comes back. Didn't Vitali twice pull out of fighting Rahman? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
