Re: who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
1 - i guarentee ive been F****** chgaepshotted in the nuts morer then anyone else here
Geez, Sal...... no WONDER you're so pissed off all the time.
;D ;D
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Kelly's corner was superior to Taylor's & money & a famous trainer can't equate to hometown comfort or drive. Wacko
Glad to have you back in action, Wacko.
Also, I could not agree with that comment any more than I do. I keep thinking back to the Countdown show when Pavlik's trainer uttered "bullshit" when responding to folks who say Pavlik needs a big name trainer.
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man, this fight was pretty much even until the K.O.
No one dominated anyone. However i do believe pavliks jab had more pepper on it than taylors.
Oh, and to whoever it was saying getting hit hard low with a gaurd doesnt hurt, Never got hit hard low with a gaurd. It hurts, and hurts more and more while trying to move around.
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I've watched the fight 4 times and if you look at the replay of when Taylor hurt Pav in the 2nd round, look at how it happened. You guys know how Pav was sticking his tongue out at Jermaine in the 1st round and at the weigh-in, like he was showing off??? If you watch right before Taylor started hurting Pav, Kelly started to make a face and looked as if he was going to stick his tongue out at him again, and when he did he got caught bad. I'm not in any way saying Taylor doesn't hit hard, but I think Kelly was too confident going in and making faces I think got him caught off guard. He has alot of heart, no doubt, but he almost lost the fight for that face-making. Watch it and tell me if you see the same thing.
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j.t was explosive and the bad intention we have all been wanting to always see from him was there but pavlik beat the best j.t there was. plain and simple lets have the rematch but not at 168lb keep it in the same weight.
Re: who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??
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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
man, this fight was pretty much even until the K.O.
No one dominated anyone. However i do believe pavliks jab had more pepper on it than taylors.
Oh, and to whoever it was saying getting hit hard low with a gaurd doesnt hurt, Never got hit hard low with a gaurd. It hurts, and hurts more and more while trying to move around.
I said it big duece and I will say it again with a little more explination.
A WELL FITTED GAURD WILL PROTECT YOU. IF YOU ARE NOT WEARING A FITTED GUARD, BUY ONE. DON'T USE JUST ANYONE's.
YOU DO NOT USE JUST ANY MOUTH PIECE DO YOU? NO!
YOU HAVE THEM CUSTOM MADE AND FITTED. Or didn't you know that either?
Wake up people and stop telling lies about it being all that painful when getting hit with a fitted protector. These guys are pros and if they are not using a professional fitted guard, shame on them for being so stupid and shame on their team for over looking the details.
Re: who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??
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Originally Posted by BoxerBoy
He looked like he punched himself out at the end of round 2! After that, it looked as though he was content to box to a decision! Which I think he was well on his way to doing! But the boxing gods smiled on us, and gave us Pavliks sweet right hand!
Exactly! Taylor blew his wad in the second and got put to sleep in the 7th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes you can't KO someone....what do you do then....Taylor has no clue.....he went wild which is surprising seeing as how composed he seem to have been in his last 5 fights...then again he hasn't came close to a KO really in like 4 yrs.....so he got excited...and blew it....unfortunately for Taylor is that that is how he will have to fight Pavlik again because the man doesn't let you stay controlled...Taylor is going to have to FIGHT!! and you see what Pavlik is made up and he's not going anywhere....sometime guys a re taylor made for you (pardon the pun) :)
GREAT JOB KELLY P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fellow Ohio brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.
Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.
Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.
Total Jabs.
Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.
Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.
Total Power Punches.
Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.
Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct
Hardly a boxing lesson.
The jabs they were landing together..you can see Taylors accuracy and ability to make Pavlik miss. Pavliks work-rate kept him in it. Maybe boxing lesson was harsh but Taylor was clearly ahead..remember numbers don't tell the whole story. Even my boys who were rooting for Pavlik agreed that Taylor was getting much the better of it. I had Pavlik winning 2 rounds by the way. Taylors work was just more impressive to me from a 'boxing' stand-point and probably impressed the judges too. (Who also are getting a hard time for scores that aren't all that bad)
No offence but your argument goes out of the window when Jermain said after the fight that he was sure he was losing and the look of surprise on his face when Merchant said that the judges had him ahead. As for Pavlik missing.....he hardly missed the right hand from the beginning..
Their scores are bad when the fighter himself thought he was behind,when Kelly is throwing more,landing more,landing harder. There was no boxing lesson,how can there be when Kelly was backing Jermain up,landing the longer,harder jab and round 2 aside,landing the harder punches.
No offence taken, no offence to you either gamo but if you're judging fights based on how the fighters 'feel' they did then you're plain and simple wrong. Props to Taylor for admitting that he thought he was behind but he was in there feeling those hard shots from Pavlik..as a boxer you're not keeping score and you can't see yourself while you're boxing. Thats what the judges are for. If you're judging fights based on how the fighters feel they did then Margarito got robbed against Williams ::** we all know what happened there..
Like you said ANYONE can see that Pavlik was getting through with his right hand..sure I did see that. It's not enough to win rounds on the 4 point must system though. Taylor had the speed, accuracy, clean punching and often elusiveness off of the ropes that will rack up the points. It was good looking boxing that obviously impressed the judges. Pavlik broke him down steadily but that by no means means he was winning the fight. I've given Pavlik props like I said he got the victory fair and square but he wasn't winning IMO.
Re: who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??
in a rematch both fighters have an equal chance of winning I think. Unless the KO took a lot from Taylor, then a second fight would be just as competitive.
Re: who here felt JT could've KOed Pavlik??
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
taylor EXCEEDED his abilities tonight...
and he STILL got KTFO
Yes he did. He looked faster than I have ever scene him the fight was in the center of the ring the most of the fight and his jab was working. He looked very very sharp. I just think Pavlik is that much better. Taylor would have never beat a 10 count. They were slapping his face and asking him questions.
They had to help him into a stool. I wish he would have counted. I would have loved to see Taylor get up and stumble. Fact is he would not have beaten the count.
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Man were we not watching the same fight?? Taylor showed me something tonight! Pavlik has 36 minutes to land his right hand and does it in round 7 and everyone is riding his nuts?! He was getting a boxing lesson up until that point in my opinion. The result was fair in the end what can you do..that right hand was lethal! However, I think if there is a rematch Taylor takes it. That lazy left hand became his demise. I can't believe people are writing Taylor off after this defeat. He has nothing to be ashamed of.
A boxing lesson ?? what the hell ?? Pavlik won 3 rounds no question Taylor was either one point ahead or Pavlik was one point ahead but to say he was giving Pavlik a boxing lesson is nonsense here is the punchstats.
Pavlik threw 460 punches landed 180 39 pct.
Taylor threw 369 punches landed 182 49 pct.
Total Jabs.
Pavlik threw 250 landed 80 32 pct.
Taylor threw 207 landed 77 37 pct.
Total Power Punches.
Taylor threw 162 landed 105 and of course most of the power punches landed were in round 2 where he landed 44 i think anyway 65 pct.
Pavlik threw 210 landed 100 48 pct
Hardly a boxing lesson.
The jabs they were landing together..you can see Taylors accuracy and ability to make Pavlik miss. Pavliks work-rate kept him in it. Maybe boxing lesson was harsh but Taylor was clearly ahead..remember numbers don't tell the whole story. Even my boys who were rooting for Pavlik agreed that Taylor was getting much the better of it. I had Pavlik winning 2 rounds by the way. Taylors work was just more impressive to me from a 'boxing' stand-point and probably impressed the judges too. (Who also are getting a hard time for scores that aren't all that bad)
No offence but your argument goes out of the window when Jermain said after the fight that he was sure he was losing and the look of surprise on his face when Merchant said that the judges had him ahead. As for Pavlik missing.....he hardly missed the right hand from the beginning..
Their scores are bad when the fighter himself thought he was behind,when Kelly is throwing more,landing more,landing harder. There was no boxing lesson,how can there be when Kelly was backing Jermain up,landing the longer,harder jab and round 2 aside,landing the harder punches.
No offence taken, no offence to you either gamo but if you're judging fights based on how the fighters 'feel' they did then you're plain and simple wrong. Props to Taylor for admitting that he thought he was behind but he was in there feeling those hard shots from Pavlik..as a boxer you're not keeping score and you can't see yourself while you're boxing. Thats what the judges are for. If you're judging fights based on how the fighters feel they did then Margarito got robbed against Williams ::** we all know what happened there..
Like you said ANYONE can see that Pavlik was getting through with his right hand..sure I did see that. It's not enough to win rounds on the 4 point must system though. Taylor had the speed, accuracy, clean punching and often elusiveness off of the ropes that will rack up the points. It was good looking boxing that obviously impressed the judges. Pavlik broke him down steadily but that by no means means he was winning the fight. I've given Pavlik props like I said he got the victory fair and square but he wasn't winning IMO.
Well your points go out fo the window when you use the Margarito fight as an analogy....he thought he won. Everyone thinks they are winning. But when someone admits to thinking that they are behind and the look of surprise on his face when told he was winning,thats completely different. Only a fool would have had JT ahead by 3 rounds. Look at the punch stats. Look at who was landing the harder punches. Thank goodness Kelly won and took it away from those corrupt judges.
Elusivness?He was getting backed up.
Speed-Pavlik had the power.
Fighting off the ropes because he was being backed up there and had to fight back or get knocked out...which eventually happened.
And like I said,you originally said Pavlik was missing,well,judging by the punchstats,the fight I saw and the fight most saw,I don't think he was.Like I said,thank goodness Kelly won via KO,because getting a decision v Jermain is neigh on impossible. This was a 1 point fight either way max.
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Well your points go out fo the window when you use the Margarito fight as an analogy....he thought he won. Everyone thinks they are winning. But when someone admits to thinking that they are behind and the look of surprise on his face when told he was winning,thats completely different. Only a fool would have had JT ahead by 3 rounds. Look at the punch stats. Look at who was landing the harder punches. Thank goodness Kelly won and took it away from those corrupt judges.
Elusivness?He was getting backed up.
Speed-Pavlik had the power.
Fighting off the ropes because he was being backed up there and had to fight back or get knocked out...which eventually happened.
And like I said,you originally said Pavlik was missing,well,judging by the punchstats,the fight I saw and the fight most saw,I don't think he was.Like I said,thank goodness Kelly won via KO,because getting a decision v Jermain is neigh on impossible. This was a 1 point fight either way max.
Thats a bullshit statement. Calling me a fool AND a hell of a lot of other people who thought Taylor was up by at least 3 points in the fight. I don't care if Jermaine Taylor THOUGHT he was losing. Like I said he is not watching himself..when you're feeling those punches from Pavlik that must be disheartening! Maybe it's an idea of where JT's confidence is at the moment if he thought he was losing. It has no bearing on how the fight was actually going. You want to refer to the punchstats and say Pavlik wasn't missing? That makes no sense what so ever because the punchstats say Pavlik threw many more punches than Taylor but didn't land as many so he was therefore MISSING a lot of his punches. Dunno how you can use that as an arguement to say Pavlik wasn't missing lol ???
End of the day this is all opinions and what people percieve to be good looking, POINT SCORING boxing. Taylor was scoring points, simple as. Calling someone a fool for thinking Taylor was winning is foolish in it's own right. The commentator even said Pavlik was running out of idea's and just running the one-two every time. Eventually one of the two's got Taylor and that was all she wrote. All of my friends who were rooting for Pavlik had Taylor well ahead on points too. Also if you're going by the HBO scorecard then god bless you..how many times has Harold Lederman been completely wrong and also disagreed with Larry and Jim. Again its all down to opinion. This was one of those fights.
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Well your points go out fo the window when you use the Margarito fight as an analogy....he thought he won. Everyone thinks they are winning. But when someone admits to thinking that they are behind and the look of surprise on his face when told he was winning,thats completely different. Only a fool would have had JT ahead by 3 rounds. Look at the punch stats. Look at who was landing the harder punches. Thank goodness Kelly won and took it away from those corrupt judges.
Elusivness?He was getting backed up.
Speed-Pavlik had the power.
Fighting off the ropes because he was being backed up there and had to fight back or get knocked out...which eventually happened.
And like I said,you originally said Pavlik was missing,well,judging by the punchstats,the fight I saw and the fight most saw,I don't think he was.Like I said,thank goodness Kelly won via KO,because getting a decision v Jermain is neigh on impossible. This was a 1 point fight either way max.
Thats a bullshit statement. Calling me a fool AND a hell of a lot of other people who thought Taylor was up by at least 3 points in the fight. I don't care if Jermaine Taylor THOUGHT he was losing. Like I said he is not watching himself..when you're feeling those punches from Pavlik that must be disheartening! Maybe it's an idea of where JT's confidence is at the moment if he thought he was losing. It has no bearing on how the fight was actually going. You want to refer to the punchstats and say Pavlik wasn't missing? That makes no sense what so ever because the punchstats say Pavlik threw many more punches than Taylor but didn't land as many so he was therefore MISSING a lot of his punches. Dunno how you can use that as an arguement to say Pavlik wasn't missing lol ???
End of the day this is all opinions and what people percieve to be good looking, POINT SCORING boxing. Taylor was scoring points, simple as. Calling someone a fool for thinking Taylor was winning is foolish in it's own right. The commentator even said Pavlik was running out of idea's and just running the one-two every time. Eventually one of the two's got Taylor and that was all she wrote. All of my friends who were rooting for Pavlik had Taylor well ahead on points too. Also if you're going by the HBO scorecard then god bless you..how many times has Harold Lederman been completely wrong and also disagreed with Larry and Jim. Again its all down to opinion. This was one of those fights.
But how can you have Taylor up by 3 points though ?? its impossible because Pavlik won 3 rounds clearly.
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Originally Posted by LEGION
I've watched the fight 4 times and if you look at the replay of when Taylor hurt Pav in the 2nd round, look at how it happened. You guys know how Pav was sticking his tongue out at Jermaine in the 1st round and at the weigh-in, like he was showing off??? If you watch right before Taylor started hurting Pav, Kelly started to make a face and looked as if he was going to stick his tongue out at him again, and when he did he got caught bad. I'm not in any way saying Taylor doesn't hit hard, but I think Kelly was too confident going in and making faces I think got him caught off guard. He has alot of heart, no doubt, but he almost lost the fight for that face-making. Watch it and tell me if you see the same thing.
i saw the same thing. but after that round he took the fight more seriously. but pavlik has a stronger chin than taylor. and taylor has no passion at all. after he gassed himself out, he made himself open coz he kept dropping his guard.
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Well your points go out fo the window when you use the Margarito fight as an analogy....he thought he won. Everyone thinks they are winning. But when someone admits to thinking that they are behind and the look of surprise on his face when told he was winning,thats completely different. Only a fool would have had JT ahead by 3 rounds. Look at the punch stats. Look at who was landing the harder punches. Thank goodness Kelly won and took it away from those corrupt judges.
Elusivness?He was getting backed up.
Speed-Pavlik had the power.
Fighting off the ropes because he was being backed up there and had to fight back or get knocked out...which eventually happened.
And like I said,you originally said Pavlik was missing,well,judging by the punchstats,the fight I saw and the fight most saw,I don't think he was.Like I said,thank goodness Kelly won via KO,because getting a decision v Jermain is neigh on impossible. This was a 1 point fight either way max.
Thats a bullshit statement. Calling me a fool AND a hell of a lot of other people who thought Taylor was up by at least 3 points in the fight. I don't care if Jermaine Taylor THOUGHT he was losing. Like I said he is not watching himself..when you're feeling those punches from Pavlik that must be disheartening! Maybe it's an idea of where JT's confidence is at the moment if he thought he was losing. It has no bearing on how the fight was actually going. You want to refer to the punchstats and say Pavlik wasn't missing? That makes no sense what so ever because the punchstats say Pavlik threw many more punches than Taylor but didn't land as many so he was therefore MISSING a lot of his punches. Dunno how you can use that as an arguement to say Pavlik wasn't missing lol ???
End of the day this is all opinions and what people percieve to be good looking, POINT SCORING boxing. Taylor was scoring points, simple as. Calling someone a fool for thinking Taylor was winning is foolish in it's own right. The commentator even said Pavlik was running out of idea's and just running the one-two every time. Eventually one of the two's got Taylor and that was all she wrote. All of my friends who were rooting for Pavlik had Taylor well ahead on points too. Also if you're going by the HBO scorecard then god bless you..how many times has Harold Lederman been completely wrong and also disagreed with Larry and Jim. Again its all down to opinion. This was one of those fights.
Well you can say that was a BS comment as much as you like but judging from the long ass thread about the terrible scoring here and at nearly every other forum on the net and the number of knowledgeable powsters who have commented on the scoring being iffy,I'd think its safe to say it was more of a common sense comment as opposed to a "bullshit" comment. ;) ;D
And at no point in the fight did Pavlik look like he was quote running out of ideas unquote. What a ridiculous statement,especially considering he the manner in which the fight was won.I think it's safe to say,judging from the number of right hands he landed and how he won,he was pretty sure of what he was doing.... ;)
