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I agree with that one, maybe Liston - Ali, but FNF ran a piece about it that sought to prove it was more a case of inept reffing than a dive.
I see a program on Liston vs Ali and they had this computer program or something to show you exactly where Ali's punch landed and it was nothing more than a grazing blow on the cheek.
Take a grazing blow to the anything from a heavyweight ice.
Yeah but Liston could take a punch, its hard to imagine someone with Liston's chin going down from 1 grazing Ali punch. Ali would be the first to say he isn't a 1-punch guy.
Prison guards used to smack Liston over the head with clubs and couldn't even knock him down yet Ali who isn't known for his one punch KO power nor is he a power puncher hits Liston with a grazing shot to the cheek and and has him staggering and reeling from only a grazing shot ?? yea right.
Ha! valid point ICE!
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I agree with that one, maybe Liston - Ali, but FNF ran a piece about it that sought to prove it was more a case of inept reffing than a dive.
I see a program on Liston vs Ali and they had this computer program or something to show you exactly where Ali's punch landed and it was nothing more than a grazing blow on the cheek.
Take a grazing blow to the anything from a heavyweight ice.
Yeah but Liston could take a punch, its hard to imagine someone with Liston's chin going down from 1 grazing Ali punch. Ali would be the first to say he isn't a 1-punch guy.
Prison guards used to smack Liston over the head with clubs and couldn't even knock him down yet Ali who isn't known for his one punch KO power nor is he a power puncher hits Liston with a grazing shot to the cheek and and has him staggering and reeling from only a grazing shot ?? yea right.
Exactly! I was watching the Final Round (a documentary on the Chuvalo/Ali fight), and I remember Chuvalo was adament that Liston took a dive, in fact he stormed the ring after the fight and had to be restrained I believe. I think the deal was that if Ali won the fight, Patterson would fight Ali for the title, and if Liston won the fight, Liston would fight Chuvalo for the title (what a fight that would have been), so Chuvalo felt like he got screwed.
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I seem to only be able to come up with relatively recent and not too meaningful ones, but I though Peter Manfredo vs Scott Pemberton looked awfully suspicious. I know Pemberton was shot, but it looked like he just rolled over, and it didn't look like there was that much on Manfredo's shots. Plus, it looked like an old lady could have slipped those punches!
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Gotta admit it looks funny in slow motion.
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Notice the landing, he completely braced himself. When you get knocked down you don't go down that slow. Yes, I know the clip is slow motion, but still.
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Notice the landing, he completely braced himself. When you get knocked down you don't go down that slow. Yes, I know the clip is slow motion, but still.
I wish you could watch the program i see it shows you exactly where the punch landed and it was only grazing blow on the cheek.
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.
Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.
Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......
I didn't say first Liston fight was fixed but i believe Liston took a dive in 2nd fight but thats my opinion you know what my favorite Ali fight is ?? the one with Clevand Williams he was like poetry in motion that night infact im watching it again now his movement reflexes were so damn good i think that version of Ali would of beaten prime Tyson like a bad habit.
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.
Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......
I didn't say first Liston fight was fixed but i believe Liston took a dive in 2nd fight but thats my opinion you know what my favorite Ali fight is ?? the one with Clevand Williams he was like poetry in motion that night infact im watching it again now his movement reflexes were so damn good i think that version of Ali would of beaten prime Tyson like a bad habit.
Watch the tyson-berbick knockdown. It looks exactly the same. It doesn't even look like tyson connects (it looks like he just grazes his head) and then a few second later berbick drops to the ground. Yet no one EVER calls that knockdown into question...... Trust me it doesn't even look like tyson connects good and berbicks movements are exactly the same as listons.
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.
Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......
I didn't say first Liston fight was fixed but i believe Liston took a dive in 2nd fight but thats my opinion you know what my favorite Ali fight is ?? the one with Clevand Williams he was like poetry in motion that night infact im watching it again now his movement reflexes were so damn good i think that version of Ali would of beaten prime Tyson like a bad habit.
Watch the tyson-berbick knockdown. It looks exactly the same. It doesn't even look like tyson connects (it looks like he just grazes his head) and then a few second later berbick drops to the ground. Yet no one EVER calls that knockdown into question...... Trust me it doesn't even look like tyson connects good and berbicks movements are exactly the same as listons.
Haven't seen that for awhile but Tyson was battering Berbick from pillar to post and i seem to remember a short chopping left hook inside then Berbick went down but it was a delayed reaction i'll get the footage up.
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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).
I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.
Ali did better against liston than holmes would've.......... ;D
Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle ;)
Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.
Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......
I didn't say first Liston fight was fixed but i believe Liston took a dive in 2nd fight but thats my opinion you know what my favorite Ali fight is ?? the one with Clevand Williams he was like poetry in motion that night infact im watching it again now his movement reflexes were so damn good i think that version of Ali would of beaten prime Tyson like a bad habit.
Watch the tyson-berbick knockdown. It looks exactly the same. It doesn't even look like tyson connects (it looks like he just grazes his head) and then a few second later berbick drops to the ground. Yet no one EVER calls that knockdown into question...... Trust me it doesn't even look like tyson connects good and berbicks movements are exactly the same as listons.
Haven't seen that for awhile but Tyson was battering Berbick from pillar to post and i seem to remember a short chopping left hook inside then Berbick went down but it was a delayed reaction i'll get the footage up.
Get them both up. Ali was never the puncher tyson was but i've been hit in the temple before by a weaker guy and trust me, it'll get you everytime. Ali was a professional heavyweight boxer. His punches, while considered "weak" for his division, would've hurt any man (as long as his knuckles weren't bothering him).
