Is there anyone out there to give Mayweather a good boxing match

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Originally Posted by SeanE

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Why doesn't anyone mention Cory Spinks?

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You're late, Majesty. Spinks has been mentioned, but Taeth doesn't think southpaws count. Now people are debating Spinks vs Mayweather is a pure boxing match because Mayweather fights southpaws differently. That should bring you up to speed.

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Luis Collazo?

he's a southpaw

he's big

has very fast hands

has great technique

he was hanging with shane until he broke his hand.

I agree that Spinks is another that could give Floyd a run for his money . Floyd couldnt knock him out and he isnt as light on his feet as Spinks is either . Also I reckon Spinks did better against Taylor than Floyd would be able to do IMO. It would be a boring fight though

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Originally Posted by halo

If we were to coompare how shane disposed of a younger and faster OLDH versus Mayweather's win over a "rusty" OLDH, Shane could be just the man to give Mayweather his first defeat.

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Disposed of? He won the first fight against Oscar when Oscar had much less defensive skills and no right hand to speak of, and the second one he got out landed by a land slide and got a gift decision.

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Originally Posted by SeanE

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Originally Posted by Taeth

People don't see to be listening. Fight a southpaw isn't a pure boxing match, because first of all Mayweather isn't as good against southpaws, and second he doesn't really box them, he comes straight forward. That takes out all southpaws. Also I am talking present tense.

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I disagree. It's just a different kind of boxing match. Plenty of southpaws are pure boxers. If Spinks was orthodox, with his skill set, he could give still Mayweather problems, though I'll repeat, Floyd would win any day.

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Its not the same kind of match... Floyd gets countered by left crosses that he would never get hit by if he was boxing normally. Leonard against Benitez and against Hearns the jab reallly played a factor, but in a orthodox vs southpaw match up its harder to counter, and to use the jab.

If people don't believe that Mayweather fights southpaws comming forward watch him against his last three southpaw opponents(and the only other one was his second fight as a pro against Reggie Sanders) He fought Demarcus Corley comming forward, and that was the only fight he's ever been stunned in, and he got hit a lot. Then the next southpaw he fought to get ready for Judah was against Sharmba Mitchell in this fight he came straight forward used his speed and easily won that fight. Then as we all know he fought Zab Judah, and he came forward using lead rights and left hooks, at first Judah was catching him because 1. He was coming forward, and I think it took him a second to calibrate to Zab's speed. After he was more comfortable he started throwing with more speed, and Zab wasn't able to hit him almost at all as his punch % ended up being like 21%. Regardless none of these were classic boxing fights even for a few rounds.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Taeth-You could be right but I wasnt that impressed with Floyds speed vs Oscar TBH . Mosley isnt as quick as he was but hes quicker than Floyd from what I can see . Judah looked quicker too especially early on . Yeah i'd admit Floyd has better footwork . He was great against Baldy and Gatti . In those fights Floyd really looked the part but you would do against guys of that calibre . Technical ability id give Floyd the edge over Shane. We dont really know about who has teh better chin but my guess would be Shane .

I just feel Floyds never met a guy like Shane before and he amost dropped decisions to guys like Castillo and a washed up Oscar so I reckon Shane has a real chance here .

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Mayweather wasn't throwing his fastest punches against Judah, most of them were range finders. Also against Oscar he did have a lot of lightning speed in his punches just watch how fast his jabs are, and he was fighting at 154 against a guy who could take his punches... Look at the difference between Mosley-Vargas 1 or 2 then Mosley-Collazo... you can't punch as fast backing up or against a guy who you need to punch your hardest against every punch. Mosley flicks a lot of punches which give the impression of speed, but the punches he really tries to put power behind aren't rediculously fast. Also watch Oscar against Mayorga and then against Mayweather he is punching twice as fast vs. Mayweather because 1. he isn't afraid of PBF's power, and 2. he was able to come forward. Other things to watch is how fast Mayweather transists from moving backwards into leaping or jumping in, and then getting back out again. At one point he counters Oscar's left hook with an uppercut and still has enough time to duck the hook. Mayweather has incredible upperbody speed, handspeed, and footspeed. The two things I think people don't realize is Mayweather isn't a fast combination puncher because he thinks before he throws every punch in a combination unless its a one-two.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by halo

If we were to coompare how shane disposed of a younger and faster OLDH versus Mayweather's win over a "rusty" OLDH, Shane could be just the man to give Mayweather his first defeat.

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ODLH didn't look anymore "rusty," against Ricardo Mayorga (who he thoroughly trashed when they fought)than he did against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
The only difference was that Oscar was up against a good fighter the first time, but up against an elite fighter the second time.
Hope this helps ;)

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I totally disagree. Oscar was a lot more hesistant against Mayorga both because of his power, and energy in the ring. Against Mayweather he found an easier time defending because 1. Mayweather doesn't throw combinations 2. Mayweather doesn't use a whole lot of angles, and in fact he pretty much only throws three punches unless he is coutering and two of them (cross, and jab are straight punches), and the other is a left hook which he comes in from far away to throw ala Roy JOnes Jr., and Roy wasn't able to land the leaping left hook very well against James Toney until he started throwing combinations behind it.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by SeanE

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Originally Posted by Taeth

People don't see to be listening. Fight a southpaw isn't a pure boxing match, because first of all Mayweather isn't as good against southpaws, and second he doesn't really box them, he comes straight forward. That takes out all southpaws. Also I am talking present tense.

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I disagree. It's just a different kind of boxing match. Plenty of southpaws are pure boxers. If Spinks was orthodox, with his skill set, he could give still Mayweather problems, though I'll repeat, Floyd would win any day.

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Its not the same kind of match... Floyd gets countered by left crosses that he would never get hit by if he was boxing normally. Leonard against Benitez and against Hearns the jab reallly played a factor, but in a orthodox vs southpaw match up its harder to counter, and to use the jab.

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No, it's not the same kinda of match, but it's still a boxing match, even with Floyd coming forward more. Understanding what you are getting at, and right now, I don't think there are any orthodox fighers who have the speed, skill set, and disposition to make a real "boxing" match - I guess Paulie M would be the closest, but I don't think that would much of a test.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Mayweather wasn't throwing his fastest punches against Judah, most of them were range finders. Also against Oscar he did have a lot of lightning speed in his punches just watch how fast his jabs are, and he was fighting at 154 against a guy who could take his punches... Look at the difference between Mosley-Vargas 1 or 2 then Mosley-Collazo... you can't punch as fast backing up or against a guy who you need to punch your hardest against every punch. Mosley flicks a lot of punches which give the impression of speed, but the punches he really tries to put power behind aren't rediculously fast.

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Thats true when Shane lets his hands go its to look flashy whereas Floyd doesnt waste shots cuz he thinks about each one. This gives the impression that Shane is quicker to the punch . He sets himself up for the power shots but if you watch his finish against Stone , all those those whots were power shots and they were very quickly unleashed .

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Also watch Oscar against Mayorga and then against Mayweather he is punching twice as fast vs. Mayweather because 1. he isn't afraid of PBF's power, and 2. he was able to come forward. Other things to watch is how fast Mayweather transists from moving backwards into leaping or jumping in, and then getting back out again. At one point he counters Oscar's left hook with an uppercut and still has enough time to duck the hook.

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Yeah you cannot question his reflexes . Oscar was matching him for speed of punch early on . Even beating him imn terms of putting them together but as he tired , Floyd gained the initiative cuz he retained his speed as Oscar slowed . Oscar is known for getting slower as a fight goes on but to me Floyd stays the same

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Mayweather has incredible upperbody speed, handspeed, and footspeed. The two things I think people don't realize is Mayweather isn't a fast combination puncher because he thinks before he throws every punch in a combination unless its a one-two.

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If Shane met Floyd , PBF would have to try and match Shane for each punch or risk being seen as the slower fighter . If he is just throwing 1 or two punches and Shane is darting in and out with those lightning quick combos, it will appear like Floyd is getting owned .When he opened up vs Oscar for the first time it was in the dying seconds of round 12 where he probably felt he could take risks seconds before the bell . To me as soon as he put em togther he looked sloppy and inaccuarte . Combo punching doesnt come naturally to him . He looks great on the pads in the gym but in the ring its all safety first 1 , 2s and I think Shane has the edge in speed and putting his shots together better .

Let's just see him handle Ricky First.