Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
While I aint a big Hatton fan...in the end...I do see this being Floyd's tuffest fight to date.
Hatton's quick & he's bullish. While Floyd does well with bullish fighters...he hasn't really faced anyone that's a pressure fighter with ample speed.
Corrales pretty much thought & timed out his shots, Gatti was just outwitted, & Castillo was more or less just pressure pressure pressure.
I think that Hatton's pushing & constant peppering will be something that Floyd has some issues with.
That being said...I still see my guy winning...just having a hell of a time doing so.
I'd look for this to be a decision that Floyd wins...but one that he loses in the eyes of his detractors.
So...in other words...no matter what Floyd does...win lose or draw...he'll still lose in most viewers eyes.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by dasamm
I think he needs to be pretty dominant, but does not necessarily need to score a KO or stoppage. We got the p4p best fighter fighting a guy in Hatton who has shown some deficiencies lately, so I expect Floyd to be in control of the majority of the fight.
A KO or stoppage would be a bonus :)
For some reason...I respectfully disagree dasamm.
A win is a win is a win.
The way that I look at it is this...Floyd aint a knockout puncher...he's an accumulative fighter. Yes a TKO would be a bonus...but again...a win is a win. As highly as most rate Hatton...Floyd just needs to win...while fans will be bitter about it...a true fan of boxing must acknowledge it.
You know what I mean?
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
I will say this. If Floyd wins (by any means) its a great win. Hatton will be 100% come fight night so if Floyd wins he has proved once again he is the P4P best out there. I have huge faith in Rick though and i think he can do this. I would bet on Rick stopping Floyd rather than the other way round. Everytime.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
Unfortunatley war wont be breaking out in this fight it will be controlled by the class /brains /skill of Floyd against less skill but more grit, will power/heart.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Originally Posted by dasamm
I think he needs to be pretty dominant, but does not necessarily need to score a KO or stoppage. We got the p4p best fighter fighting a guy in Hatton who has shown some deficiencies lately, so I expect Floyd to be in control of the majority of the fight.
A KO or stoppage would be a bonus :)
Das,
Ring Magazine, the most objective "ranking body" in our sport, has Ricky as #8 pound-for-pound.
Are some people holding Floyd to an unreasonable standard? Calzaghe just beat Kessler 7-5 or 8-4. And we all praised that victory. Rightly so.
If Floyd beats Ricky (a top ten P4P guy) by similar margins, isn't PBF due the same accolades as Joe C.?
Good point you bring up Dios. I do have pretty high expectations of Floyd, but I don't think it's unreasonable considering..
The first time Hatton moved up to Welterweight it was almost disastrous. He was about 15 seconds away from being knocked out cold by Collazo. Collazo is good and may have been really underrated at the time, but Mosley showed Collazo isn’t THAT good. And then Mosley was handled very well by Cotto, even though he put up a good fight. This puts Cotto far ahead of Collazo (who I feel should have won against Hatton) even though Cotto is just one spot above him in the Ring.
I know I’m putting a lot into Hatton’s performance against Collazo, but it was his only other fight at welterweight. I don’t buy the excuses that Hatton wasn’t in shape or didn’t train for the fight either…that was supposed to be his big “American Invasion” fight
This is why I think PBF should be able to put on a dominant, impressive fight against Hatton. I am not expecting it to be as dominating as Mayweather-Gatti was by any means, but if Floyd wants to call himself the UNDISPUTED p4p champ I think he has got to show some fireworks. If he takes a SD I would still rate him #1, but he would definitely be disputed by some others knocking on the door for that spot.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
For some reason...I respectfully disagree dasamm.
A win is a win is a win.
The way that I look at it is this...Floyd aint a knockout puncher...he's an accumulative fighter. Yes a TKO would be a bonus...but again...a win is a win. As highly as most rate Hatton...Floyd just needs to win...while fans will be bitter about it...a true fan of boxing must acknowledge it.
You know what I mean?
I can understand playing it safe against Oscar at 154, in that case a win was a win.
But now it's at 147 vs. a guy in Hatton who is ideally a 140 fighter. And like I said above his only other show at 147 wasn't good.
I feel that Hatton is overrated and people have seemed to ignore what he has done (or hasn't) in the past couple years. Defeating Tszyu was an amazing feat, but Tszyu had a few legit reasons he was not at his peak, which is a completely different subject! Still Hatton gave a amazing fight and I think he really peaked that night..but aint seen the same since.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
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Originally Posted by dasamm
I feel that Hatton is overrated and people have seemed to ignore what he has done (or hasn't) in the past couple years. Defeating Tszyu was an amazing feat, but Tszyu had a few legit reasons he was not at his peak, which is a completely different subject! Still Hatton gave a amazing fight and I think he really peaked that night..but aint seen the same since.
As I said...
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'd look for this to be a decision that Floyd wins...but one that he loses in the eyes of his detractors.
So...in other words...no matter what Floyd does...win lose or draw...he'll still lose in most viewers eyes.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
He has to look good imo. He looked decent v Osca rin the last 4 rounds,looked ok v Baldo,looked decent v Judah,now he's due a "good" performance. ESPECIALLY as Hatton's style is tailor made for him,coming in non stop. It should also be a dominant performance because Hatton is number at 140 but not even top 10 at WW.He's a HOT favourite with even big Hatton fans thinking that Floyd will win.
It's similar in a sense,to Spinks v Taylor,champ from 1 division moving up to fight another champ,the champ at the higher weight(JT and in this case Floyd) are/were expected to win and look good.So he gets credit for the win for sure but after this fight,he needs to fight Cotto,who is number 1 at 147,linear title or not imo.
Re: How dominant does Floyd have to be against Hatton?
At the elite level of boxing I'm fine if fighters just edge out their opponent. If Floyd or Hatton wins by a round or two that's dominant enough for me because of the level of the two fighters. These guys are masters at their craft and many times it's very difficult to be dominant - as in a KO. All I ask of Floyd is that he does a lot more punching than in the De la hoya fight (de la hoya is as much to blame for that boring fight).
I personally think Hatton is going to be the busier of the two and is going to win the decision probably by about 2 or 3 rounds.
