Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
Taeth are you crazy Hearns and Leonard be a nightmare for PBF and i would not every bet on PBF to win it against them. You talk about the old Floyd giving Leonard problems did you know that was rays like 14th fight he was still green and beat the S*** out of Floyde watch the fight. Then you make a knock at Hearns competition when PBF has way weaker competition then Hearns had. But what ever you in love with Floyd and never pick against him and then if anyone picks against Floyde you are all over them like they know nothing i am so sick of it drives me nuts every F****** time you do that.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....why wouldn't you just compare Floyd to the greats in his weight class?
Why does Ali always have to be brought up? Who gives a crap...he's got his biopic and a bunch of mindnumbed followers touting him as #1 the Greatest of All time without ever thinking "Hey what if he isn't the greatest of all time?" I'm not saying you need to not have him #1 but just think about it for a F****** second before you get caught up in the crowd.
MAIN POINT he doesn't need to be compared to WELTERWEIGHTS and welterweights need not be compared to him, as he was a heavyweight and never came close to being a professional welterweight and therefore is not relevant to this discussion!
If you're going to compare Floyd Mayweather Jr to anyone let's start a list:
Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Emile Griffith
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
Harry Lewis
Carmen Basilio
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whittaker
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Joe Gans
Lou Ambers
Beau Jack
Tony Canzonari
discuss
First of all Ali fought better competition than anybody who has ever lived and has come out on top. In comparision the guys who gave Robinson hard fights were nothing. Lamotta, Basilio, Fulmer ... they were good but they weren't Frazier, Foreman, Patterson, Liston... and Ali did as well or better against some of them than Robinson did against his guys. Look at the win to lose ratio of his opponents and you will see how great he was... I personally believe he right up there with Robinson maybe little behind because he didn't have the same power, but Ali was something special.
Also who has Carmen Basilio who wasn't a puncher ko'ing Mayweather is nuts. Also why would Mosley be able to ko Mayweather at 135 when Castillo who was a mad puncher at that weight, Oscar Dela Hoya at 154 and Zab Judah at 147 couldn't do it? I think Judah hits as hard as WW MOsley, and he hurt Cotto more than Mosley ever did on a few occasions. Also why would Leonard be able to ko Mayweather yet RObinson wouldn't? Robinson hit like Hearns and he was a better offensive fighter than Leonard. Also Hearns wasn't really able to beat any of the ATG's he fought in their prime, I don't see any reason why he would be able to beat Mayweather. Like Steward said a lot of Hearns' power came from nobody seeing that right hand when it landed because it was too quick, but Leonard who was fast enough to see it was able to handle it, and Mayweather would also be able to handle it. Leonard tried to box on the outside too long against Hearns, and I doubt Mayweather would make that mistake, and I truly believe if he can stun Oscar a few times he can hurt Hearns at WW. Besides these guys I see Henry Armstrong giving Mayweather a tough fight by swarming him, I see Mayweather-Leonard a toss up because look at a slower, less powerful, much less balanced and technically inferior FLoyd Snr's style gave Leonard hard times at certain points, but the difference is that you put a superior athlete into that system and Leonard is in trouble, especially if he can't hurt Mayweather with any one or two punches. I also see Duran being a problem because he was so smart and powerful, but at lightweight he was little more chinny than he was later on as he was ko'ed by a good counter puncher, and Mayweather might not ko him, but he certainly would get Duran's respect, and at 147 Mayweather would outslick Duran in a close fight. I see the only guy really beating Mayweather is Robinson because his jab was longer, he had about equal speed, the height, and that Roy JOnes Jr. like left hook with that Hearns cross and those Meldrick Taylor smooth combinations, but I still see that being a tough fight.
As for Ali's comp look on page 2 and it was already established he had better comp and as for my picks that my opp don't like it to bad,,,,
Here is an idea....Instead of just hanging around waiting for peoples post to pick apart make ONE SINGLE OPINION OF YOUR OWN!!!!!
because it seems that as of late your opinions are S*** and all you do is look for other peoples post to find something to say about......
Your a poor mans version of Violent Demise....at least he is amusing....your just annoying.......
Doesn't matter if you agree with what someone says you can't even manage to make an arguement why or why not just talk S*** about how what someone says is stupid...
Half your post you just type for lack of anything better in your life to do
and the response was to Lyle posting about just compare Floyd to other WW fighters of the past....THAT IS WHY ALI WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE POST BUT IF YOU TOOK YOUR EYES OFF THE GRANNY PORN LONG ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH THE THREAD YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!!!!
Actually I post a lot of threads you retard which is stating my opinion. Also by disagreeing with you I am making my own opinion... I of all people stand apart in what I believe in... most people are wililng to say Ray Robinson is the best because when they haven't even seen his fights along with half the guys on that list. People just say names without knowing who the guy fucking is, so don't give me your bs because I disagree with you.
Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
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Taeth are you crazy Hearns and Leonard be a nightmare for PBF and i would not every bet on PBF to win it against them. You talk about the old Floyd giving Leonard problems did you know that was rays like 14th fight he was still green and beat the S*** out of Floyde watch the fight. Then you make a knock at Hearns competition when PBF has way weaker competition then Hearns had. But what ever you in love with Floyd and never pick against him and then if anyone picks against Floyde you are all over them like they know nothing i am so sick of it drives me nuts every F****** time you do that.
First of all Floyd Mayweather Snr had only 17 fights when he fought Leonard which is what 4 more? Second when exactly did I knock Hearns' competition? Are you reading what I am actually writing? I said that he never KO or dominated any of the other ATG's he fought in their prime whether it was Leonard, Benitez, Hagler, and throughout his career at WW he became worse as the night went along and most importantly he got beaten up on the inside a lot which is where Floyd would fight him, He would slip the jab and throw combinations on the inside against Hearns. Leonard had trouble with Floyd's dad in that he would come forward take counters that would have stunned him from a harder puncher, but Floyd senior didn't hit worth a damn. Benitez who had trouble with Leonard early because of the speed difference really until later on when he was worn out. But it agreed almost by everyone Benitez was an inferior version of Floyd, he was slower, less defensively skilled than PBF and he gave Leonard a tough fight in which Leonard had a hard time landing stuff once Benitez got used to his style. Ronnie SHields said that Leonard was predictable and Floyd picks up on things like that really fast, and I am still saying its toss up because of Leonard being a natural WW and hitting harder than Floyd, but there is no reason IMO that Leonard deserves the nod at all. Hearns had one distance he was great from, but he had a weak legs, and he got worse the closer the fighter got to him. So in this fight I can't see Hearns winning if it goes 15 rounds, and he has a better chance at a 12 round fight because he might pile up enough rounds early on.
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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I also see Whitaker being almost a toss up against Mayweather because he is a southpaw, he has good speed and he is hard to hit. HOwever he isn't the same speed which is what made Judah really hard for Mayweather and he doesn't have that punishing power. I see Mayweather coming forward landing that right hand more and more and winning a 3-4 round ud.
He has better jab than Judah, and is quick enough to give Mayweather fits i have always said that fight would be called no contest because they would make eachother miss so much.
Judah's jab is used to set up his left hand, but regardless Mayweather holds he hands so high that he never gets hit by the jab against southpaws anyways. I think Pernell also has a good straight left, but Mayweather's cross is better.
Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
Well why would PBf deserve anything when he is the one with the weak opposition he has faced no one like Leonard plz do not say Zab was like Leonard. Leonard had had reach, height and power advantage. There speed was about the same at welter but Leonard could throw in combination better there foot speed about the same at the weight. And why you bring up Older Floyd Leonard killed him watch the fight again. Leonard had all the advantages over Floyd if they fought and he had a better jab then Oscar and he would keep using it and out point PBF if he could not knock him out Leonard all the way.
Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....why wouldn't you just compare Floyd to the greats in his weight class?
Why does Ali always have to be brought up? Who gives a crap...he's got his biopic and a bunch of mindnumbed followers touting him as #1 the Greatest of All time without ever thinking "Hey what if he isn't the greatest of all time?" I'm not saying you need to not have him #1 but just think about it for a F****** second before you get caught up in the crowd.
MAIN POINT he doesn't need to be compared to WELTERWEIGHTS and welterweights need not be compared to him, as he was a heavyweight and never came close to being a professional welterweight and therefore is not relevant to this discussion!
If you're going to compare Floyd Mayweather Jr to anyone let's start a list:
Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Emile Griffith
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
Harry Lewis
Carmen Basilio
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whittaker
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Joe Gans
Lou Ambers
Beau Jack
Tony Canzonari
discuss
First of all Ali fought better competition than anybody who has ever lived and has come out on top. In comparision the guys who gave Robinson hard fights were nothing. Lamotta, Basilio, Fulmer ... they were good but they weren't Frazier, Foreman, Patterson, Liston... and Ali did as well or better against some of them than Robinson did against his guys. Look at the win to lose ratio of his opponents and you will see how great he was... I personally believe he right up there with Robinson maybe little behind because he didn't have the same power, but Ali was something special.
Also who has Carmen Basilio who wasn't a puncher ko'ing Mayweather is nuts. Also why would Mosley be able to ko Mayweather at 135 when Castillo who was a mad puncher at that weight, Oscar Dela Hoya at 154 and Zab Judah at 147 couldn't do it? I think Judah hits as hard as WW MOsley, and he hurt Cotto more than Mosley ever did on a few occasions. Also why would Leonard be able to ko Mayweather yet RObinson wouldn't? Robinson hit like Hearns and he was a better offensive fighter than Leonard. Also Hearns wasn't really able to beat any of the ATG's he fought in their prime, I don't see any reason why he would be able to beat Mayweather. Like Steward said a lot of Hearns' power came from nobody seeing that right hand when it landed because it was too quick, but Leonard who was fast enough to see it was able to handle it, and Mayweather would also be able to handle it. Leonard tried to box on the outside too long against Hearns, and I doubt Mayweather would make that mistake, and I truly believe if he can stun Oscar a few times he can hurt Hearns at WW. Besides these guys I see Henry Armstrong giving Mayweather a tough fight by swarming him, I see Mayweather-Leonard a toss up because look at a slower, less powerful, much less balanced and technically inferior FLoyd Snr's style gave Leonard hard times at certain points, but the difference is that you put a superior athlete into that system and Leonard is in trouble, especially if he can't hurt Mayweather with any one or two punches. I also see Duran being a problem because he was so smart and powerful, but at lightweight he was little more chinny than he was later on as he was ko'ed by a good counter puncher, and Mayweather might not ko him, but he certainly would get Duran's respect, and at 147 Mayweather would outslick Duran in a close fight. I see the only guy really beating Mayweather is Robinson because his jab was longer, he had about equal speed, the height, and that Roy JOnes Jr. like left hook with that Hearns cross and those Meldrick Taylor smooth combinations, but I still see that being a tough fight.
As for Ali's comp look on page 2 and it was already established he had better comp and as for my picks that my opp don't like it to bad,,,,
Here is an idea....Instead of just hanging around waiting for peoples post to pick apart make ONE SINGLE OPINION OF YOUR OWN!!!!!
because it seems that as of late your opinions are S*** and all you do is look for other peoples post to find something to say about......
Your a poor mans version of Violent Demise....at least he is amusing....your just annoying.......
Doesn't matter if you agree with what someone says you can't even manage to make an arguement why or why not just talk S*** about how what someone says is stupid...
Half your post you just type for lack of anything better in your life to do
and the response was to Lyle posting about just compare Floyd to other WW fighters of the past....THAT IS WHY ALI WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE POST BUT IF YOU TOOK YOUR EYES OFF THE GRANNY PORN LONG ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH THE THREAD YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!!!!
Actually I post a lot of threads you retard which is stating my opinion. Also by disagreeing with you I am making my own opinion... I of all people stand apart in what I believe in... most people are wililng to say Ray Robinson is the best because when they haven't even seen his fights along with half the guys on that list. People just say names without knowing who the guy F****** is, so don't give me your bs because I disagree with you.
Oh Yes...Calling me a Retard is Great Posting of your opinion :thumb:...Again you have spent almost all your post on this thread insulting people and their post and not doing any quality posting...
I'm Sorry was there award given out about you being an authority on the whole sport ???
Do you have some seceret title making your word the most important ???
Please let me know if I missed the ceremony so I can send a belated gift ::**
Your another one of those second rate internet warriors that do nothing but wait for people to post their opinions so you can make comments fact based or not looking for ways to tear them up to make yourself feel better...even if you are right on something try posting your arguement with some class instead of being a trailer park drop out.....
BTW as for seeing guys fight past or present I GUARENTEE I have seen more top level fighters in person, or on tape, dvd, film then you could ever dream of...so just to clear it up I don't comment on fights or fighters I never seen
Im not going to even bother with this anymore
Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
Leonard wouldn't be able to get off his combinations against Mayweather. I won't say Zab Judah is the similar to Leonard except that they have similar punching power and speed. However, Judah is a southpaw who has a great left cross which is Mayweather biggest problem. Leonard had a good jab, but I think it was about on the same level as Dela HOya's because Oscar's was harder, and I think he hooks off it better. Also Leonard's combinations were hooks which are easy to block with Floyd's defensive style it is set up to block hooks more so than straight punches. Sure Mayweather Snr got physically dominated but you see the problems that shoulder gave Leonard, and another problem Snr did was left his right hand come down so the left hook could land on his chin, but pretty boy doesn't allow for that and keeps that right hand glued to the side of his head. What Mayweather Snr did was he made Leonard miss a lot of shots, He countered Leonard effectively off the ropes, but Leonard's punches were rocking him, when he got hit to the body his arms left the position they were suppose to be in, and later on he stopped using his shoulder to block those right hands. It is ridiculous to say Mayweather has weak opposition look at the record of these guys, Mayweather is now starting to now get the opposition that compares to Leonard's, and if he fights Mosley and Cotto it will be up there just because he has foughten so many fighters with great records and still has kept his 0 in loses. How does Leonard have all that advantages? He isn't a great inside fighter, he can throw combinations but he doesn't have really technique on the inside, he doesn't have the same defensive skills at all, we've already stated that they have the same speed, and reach can be an advantage and a disadvantage depending on how the fight is foughten. Its also what Mayweather has been saying it isn't just about physical attributes, he is more skilled than people. He is a little more technically sound, he is little better at figuring out opponents, and these are the reasons why I think he matches up evenly with Leonard.
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Better at figuring out opponents please, Leonard was a good inside fighter when he chose to be also his jab was the same strength as Oscar was but it was a hell of a lot faster how many Leonard fights have you actual seen just to ask Teath and also how many All time greats in there prime has PBF faced compared to Leonard and he has not faced Cotto or Shane yet so we do not even know how those fights will play out.
Re: FLOYD MAYWEATHER vs. THE ALL-TIME GREATS
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....why wouldn't you just compare Floyd to the greats in his weight class?
Why does Ali always have to be brought up? Who gives a crap...he's got his biopic and a bunch of mindnumbed followers touting him as #1 the Greatest of All time without ever thinking "Hey what if he isn't the greatest of all time?" I'm not saying you need to not have him #1 but just think about it for a F****** second before you get caught up in the crowd.
MAIN POINT he doesn't need to be compared to WELTERWEIGHTS and welterweights need not be compared to him, as he was a heavyweight and never came close to being a professional welterweight and therefore is not relevant to this discussion!
If you're going to compare Floyd Mayweather Jr to anyone let's start a list:
Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Benny Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Emile Griffith
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
Harry Lewis
Carmen Basilio
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whittaker
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Joe Gans
Lou Ambers
Beau Jack
Tony Canzonari
discuss
First of all Ali fought better competition than anybody who has ever lived and has come out on top. In comparision the guys who gave Robinson hard fights were nothing. Lamotta, Basilio, Fulmer ... they were good but they weren't Frazier, Foreman, Patterson, Liston... and Ali did as well or better against some of them than Robinson did against his guys. Look at the win to lose ratio of his opponents and you will see how great he was... I personally believe he right up there with Robinson maybe little behind because he didn't have the same power, but Ali was something special.
Also who has Carmen Basilio who wasn't a puncher ko'ing Mayweather is nuts. Also why would Mosley be able to ko Mayweather at 135 when Castillo who was a mad puncher at that weight, Oscar Dela Hoya at 154 and Zab Judah at 147 couldn't do it? I think Judah hits as hard as WW MOsley, and he hurt Cotto more than Mosley ever did on a few occasions. Also why would Leonard be able to ko Mayweather yet RObinson wouldn't? Robinson hit like Hearns and he was a better offensive fighter than Leonard. Also Hearns wasn't really able to beat any of the ATG's he fought in their prime, I don't see any reason why he would be able to beat Mayweather. Like Steward said a lot of Hearns' power came from nobody seeing that right hand when it landed because it was too quick, but Leonard who was fast enough to see it was able to handle it, and Mayweather would also be able to handle it. Leonard tried to box on the outside too long against Hearns, and I doubt Mayweather would make that mistake, and I truly believe if he can stun Oscar a few times he can hurt Hearns at WW. Besides these guys I see Henry Armstrong giving Mayweather a tough fight by swarming him, I see Mayweather-Leonard a toss up because look at a slower, less powerful, much less balanced and technically inferior FLoyd Snr's style gave Leonard hard times at certain points, but the difference is that you put a superior athlete into that system and Leonard is in trouble, especially if he can't hurt Mayweather with any one or two punches. I also see Duran being a problem because he was so smart and powerful, but at lightweight he was little more chinny than he was later on as he was ko'ed by a good counter puncher, and Mayweather might not ko him, but he certainly would get Duran's respect, and at 147 Mayweather would outslick Duran in a close fight. I see the only guy really beating Mayweather is Robinson because his jab was longer, he had about equal speed, the height, and that Roy JOnes Jr. like left hook with that Hearns cross and those Meldrick Taylor smooth combinations, but I still see that being a tough fight.
As for Ali's comp look on page 2 and it was already established he had better comp and as for my picks that my opp don't like it to bad,,,,
Here is an idea....Instead of just hanging around waiting for peoples post to pick apart make ONE SINGLE OPINION OF YOUR OWN!!!!!
because it seems that as of late your opinions are S*** and all you do is look for other peoples post to find something to say about......
Your a poor mans version of Violent Demise....at least he is amusing....your just annoying.......
Doesn't matter if you agree with what someone says you can't even manage to make an arguement why or why not just talk S*** about how what someone says is stupid...
Half your post you just type for lack of anything better in your life to do
and the response was to Lyle posting about just compare Floyd to other WW fighters of the past....THAT IS WHY ALI WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE POST BUT IF YOU TOOK YOUR EYES OFF THE GRANNY PORN LONG ENOUGH TO READ THROUGH THE THREAD YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!!!!
Actually I post a lot of threads you retard which is stating my opinion. Also by disagreeing with you I am making my own opinion... I of all people stand apart in what I believe in... most people are wililng to say Ray Robinson is the best because when they haven't even seen his fights along with half the guys on that list. People just say names without knowing who the guy F****** is, so don't give me your bs because I disagree with you.
Oh Yes...Calling me a Retard is Great Posting of your opinion :thumb:...Again you have spent almost all your post on this thread insulting people and their post and not doing any quality posting...
I'm Sorry was there award given out about you being an authority on the whole sport ???
Do you have some seceret title making your word the most important ???
Please let me know if I missed the ceremony so I can send a belated gift ::**
Your another one of those second rate internet warriors that do nothing but wait for people to post their opinions so you can make comments fact based or not looking for ways to tear them up to make yourself feel better...even if you are right on something try posting your arguement with some class instead of being a trailer park drop out.....
BTW as for seeing guys fight past or present I GUARENTEE I have seen more top level fighters in person, or on tape, dvd, film then you could ever dream of...so just to clear it up I don't comment on fights or fighters I never seen
Im not going to even bother with this anymore
lol you are an asshole, you start S*** with me for no reason, and now your running away. You insulted me first, and I said you were being retarded because your acting like your a child. I give my opinion, but it is no means the law. It is other people who get totally offended that I don't think their poster child is the greatest fighter ever. I watch boxing, and I box. I am not proclaiming I am the god of boxing, but I have my opinions about what I see as does everyone else. Apparently its ok for everybody else to state their opinion, but not me? I was not stating Ali shouldn't be compared to WW's directly, but a good analyzer can judge between weights who would be effective against who, and thats why the whole p4p list was created. WHat I am saying is its bs to neglect how great Ali was when he fought and there was nobody noticably better IMO(see the my opinion?). I am a internet warrior? How often do I start fights? How often have I said I can beat you up? I haven't because I don't because its stupid. You can guarantee all you want, so does everyone else, but I still don't believe they have seen half as much as they say except guys like Ice Cold, Wacko, Monkey Trainer, and a few others. I like to debate/argue, but that is what these discussions are for, and this is why I am arguing with mr140, I respect his opinion, but I disagree with it. I don't get a kick out of the trying to out do somebody else or tell them that they don't know what they are talking about, I get a kick out of the debating with intelligent people about how we feel about match ups that have happened, are going to happen, and the theoretical ones where nobody really knows. If you aren't going to bother with it, thats just fine with me.
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i find it difficult to judge any of these matchups against Floyd simply because we haven't seen Floyd in deep water yet and i think he has a lot more in his arsenal than he actually uses.
I think it is a testament to Floyd's chin/defensiev abilities that he has not been in serious trouble or knocked down. Think about it: PBF's competition hasn't been SO bad that he shouldn't have suffered a KD or knee-buckler. The worst he has been hurt, he actually won that round (Corley).
Delahoya
Judah
Corrales
Gatti
Castillo twice
Manfredy
etc
etc..
You would have figured that one of these cats would have given him a flash KD or something.
Oscar went down a few times. Pernell did. RJJ did. Hatton did. Cotto did. etc.
PBF has a good chin, coupled with composure, and remarkable defensive abilities.
If Floyd's daddy nearly went the distance with SRL, then Floyd would most likely take Ray to the cards.
http://www.lossip.com/wp-content/upl...mayweather.jpg
No payday for your left hook, Oscar
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Well i guess you see stuff different then me but PBF seems to have trouble with men that are bigger and have reach advantage over him. Leonard had both of this plus could use them i not saying he kill PBF because that is a hard thing to do but every time i think of this fight i see Leonard winning.
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Better at figuring out opponents please, Leonard was a good inside fighter when he chose to be also his jab was the same strength as Oscar was but it was a hell of a lot faster how many Leonard fights have you actual seen just to ask Teath and also how many All time greats in there prime has PBF faced compared to Leonard and he has not faced Cotto or Shane yet so we do not even know how those fights will play out.
I've seen almost Leonard's whole career, and most of his big fights many many times(like against Hearns, Duran the first two times, Benitez, etc.). First of all neither Leonard or Mayweather are a hell of a lot faster than Oscar. Oscar is incredibly fast and is just a touch slower than the fastest guys(like Mosley who was faster than Leonard or Mayweather in terms of handspeed at WW). Also there is no way Leonard had as hard of a jab as Oscar, who was harder hitter and he is left handed. Leonard has faced three ATG maybe four including Benitez, Mayweather has faced one as of yet, but Duran was fighting above his starting weight and hadn't foughten anyone near Leonard's level up until their fight and he still beat Leonard the first time. While Floyd went up to 154 for the first time which was 24 pounds above his starting weight and 5 pounds above his natural walking around weight and actually came in at 150 for fight night against Oscar and beat him by 4 or 5 rounds. How can you say Mayweather doesn't figure out opponents better? He figured out Gatti in about 5 seconds though Gatti is pretty bad Mayweather was hooking him off the jab after 15 seconds which is one of the hardest things to do in terms of countering. Mayweather figured out Judah who was extremely fast, hard hitting in about 3 and half rounds, and after that It was that Mayweather wore him down or that Judah wiltered, Mayweather actually figured him out and using a technique he almost never uses he walked Judah down and gave him a beating while Judah had difficulties doing anything after that point. People said Oscar would beat Mayweather I said firmly he would not because it doesn't matter how many great fighters he's foughten I could tell by their styles that MAyweather would beat him convincingly because he was more skilled, Leonard is better than Oscar there is no denying that, and htats why I think he gets a fair chance against Mayweather. Once against for Daxx among others and you mr140 this is my opinion, I think you make valid points, but I disagree with them. I see the opposite about the reach thing, Mayweather has done well against Corrales, Ndou, Dela Hoya, etc. I think he likes being the smaller guy, and he loves jabing those taller guys to the body.
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Fair enough i give that cc i see your points and i may disagree but you give some good points though and i will come back to this once Floyd has fought some more people and see how he stacks up when he is done i am hard on Floyd but i am Leonard fan so i am biased when it comes to him regardless.
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I am a Leonard fan, and I can't see how people think that Duran, Hagler or Hearns were better than Leonard in that era. I think Leonard clearly proved he was the best p4p of the bunch and that he was maybe the best regardless, he beat Hagler at his weight, he beat Hearns at their weight, and I think Duran was better and worse than he was at lightweight, he definitely took a punch better imo at ww, and his defense was better.
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Funny you mention that fight with Hagler i just watch that fight and i scored it as followed
1Ray
2Ray
3Ray
4Ray
5Close round either Marvin or Ray
6Ray
7Marvin
8Marvin
9Marvin
10Marvin
11Ray
12Ray
I mean i thought Ray had the fight and that is that for me. As for Duran well Leonard fought his fight teh first time and it was close and then comes back fight it this way makes Duran look like a fool and quiet and Leonard took that one then after a long time they fight out of prime but still going off good wins and Leonard wins again. Then as far as Hearns goes well in prime for prime Leonard knocked him out so then the rematch to me means nothing they were very old and not even a shell of what they were so to Leonard is the man and the Pound for Pound Number 1 in the last 30 years.
