Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
He could be better and he has the potential to be bigger.
He has a bit of a personality problem but so did Tito at first. At least Cotto is working on it. He is learning english and getting a bit bolder on his interviews.
Like Tito, he is coming up in a great era for the 147lb division. Unlike Tito, there is no big name heavyweight stealing all the limelight like Tyson was doing to pretty much everyone under 200lbs.
He might be the best fighter in the best division of his time. Time will tell if this is true or not.
He has a bit more to go, he is not there just yet. I say this for two reasons. One, he has yet to be The Champ in any one division. Tito was The Champ at 147 and 154. Two, believe it or not, Cotto has yet to beat a defending champion. Both of his titles were vacant at the time he won them. This means he has yet to fight a champion. This might mean a lot to some and it might mean little to others but I think it is significant.
All that said, in a one to one, prime for prime welterweight fight, I don't think he could ever beat Tito. You could argue that he is an all around better boxer, he is more dynamic, he has not yet reached his prime, etc., etc. Bottom line, put these two guys in the ring together and I can only see one outcome and that is Tito by brutal KO in the mid to late rounds.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Had you asked me to elaborate I would have explained that I felt Cotto's win was similar to the wright fights in the context that Cotto appeared untroubled by Shanes power and speed and walked in to connect with his own more telling blows.
Wright was much too big for Mosley and backed him up all night it was the opposite in the Cotto fight.
They fight was only one division up against a guy not reknowned for strength, power or even attritional punching.
Just because Cotto moved backward doesn't mean he was at all affected by Mosely's punches.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Had you asked me to elaborate I would have explained that I felt Cotto's win was similar to the wright fights in the context that Cotto appeared untroubled by Shanes power and speed and walked in to connect with his own more telling blows.
Wright was much too big for Mosley and backed him up all night it was the opposite in the Cotto fight.
They fight was only one division up against a guy not reknowned for strength, power or even attritional punching.
Just because Cotto moved backward doesn't mean he was at all affected by Mosely's punches.
The size difference was major Winky was naturally much stronger and bigger than Mosley and backed him up all night.
I just think there two completely different fight's plus Winky was much more dominant against Mosley.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
Cotto was landing his jab with consistancy while Mosley didn't have one!
Totally agree
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
Well most people who watched it on TV had it a close fight, the punchstats were also even aswell, i thought Mosley pulled out a draw he come on strong in the later rounds.
Have you rewatched it on TV ??
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Had you asked me to elaborate I would have explained that I felt Cotto's win was similar to the wright fights in the context that Cotto appeared untroubled by Shanes power and speed and walked in to connect with his own more telling blows.
Wright was much too big for Mosley and backed him up all night it was the opposite in the Cotto fight.
They fight was only one division up against a guy not reknowned for strength, power or even attritional punching.
Just because Cotto moved backward doesn't mean he was at all affected by Mosely's punches.
The size difference was major Winky was naturally much stronger and bigger than Mosley and backed him up all night.
I just think there two completely different fight's plus Winky was much more dominant against Mosley.
Don't agree that the size differential was that major. And as everyone knows Winky is not a power puncher by any means.
As far as dominance goes, Cotto did what he had to do, he knew he was beating Mosely and didn exert himself in case Mosely rallied late. He did what he had to do and impressively.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
Don't agree that the size differential was that major. And as everyone knows Winky is not a power puncher by any means.
He doesn't have to be power puncher, the size was still a major factor it was natural Lightweight vs Natural Lightmiddleweight who had been at Lightmiddleweight for his entire career it makes a difference.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
He doesn't have to be power puncher, the size was still a major factor it was natural Lightweight vs Natural Lightmiddleweight who had been at Lightmiddleweight for his entire career it makes a difference.
A fighter climbs weight he anticipates a different level of power. He prepares for this level of power and going into the fight he is expected to be able to deal with this change.
In this situation the hike in power was not all that dramatic as it was Winky Wright who is a boxer famed for slicknes rathger than strength and sports a record of 56 fights with only 25 by stoppage.
power didn bother him in the fight preceeding that when he fought a much more formidable puncher in Oscar De la Hoya
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
Well most people who watched it on TV had it a close fight, the punchstats were also even aswell, i thought Mosley pulled out a draw he come on strong in the later rounds.
Have you rewatched it on TV ??
I haven't yet, but I did get it taped. When I got back, I watched the Haye fight but didn't watch the fight through again. I won't argue on this until I've seen the tape. Have you watched it without commentary?
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
Well most people who watched it on TV had it a close fight, the punchstats were also even aswell, i thought Mosley pulled out a draw he come on strong in the later rounds.
Have you rewatched it on TV ??
I haven't yet, but I did get it taped. When I got back, I watched the Haye fight but didn't watch the fight through again. I won't argue on this until I've seen the tape. Have you watched it without commentary?
I haven't yet, but I did get it taped. When I got back, I watched the Haye fight but didn't watch the fight through again. I won't argue on this until I've seen the tape. Have you watched it without commentary?
Nope i haven't yet mate but i will do in a few days.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt. Mosley got outboxed.
Well most people who watched it on TV had it a close fight, the punchstats were also even aswell, i thought Mosley pulled out a draw he come on strong in the later rounds.
Have you rewatched it on TV ??
I haven't yet, but I did get it taped. When I got back, I watched the Haye fight but didn't watch the fight through again. I won't argue on this until I've seen the tape. Have you watched it without commentary?
I haven't yet, but I did get it taped. When I got back, I watched the Haye fight but didn't watch the fight through again. I won't argue on this until I've seen the tape. Have you watched it without commentary?
Nope i haven't yet mate but i will do in a few days.
Sorry to butt in, but what the hell are you guys arguing about again. I'm lost....
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
Can he be as good-hell yes. Is he as good now? Hell no. He has a LONG way to go before he can be compared to Felix. I don't care about multiple weight titles etc,its who you fight in those weights. Tito fought the best of the best and annihilated most of them. Cotto's getting there,but not there yet,no way.
As for skills,I don't see where all this "Tito is 1dimensional talk" comes from. He only lost 2 2 guys naturally bigger than him and beat good boxers like Oba Carr and David Reid. From a pure offence perspective,Tito was the COMPLETE package,that's not 1 dimensional. His jabs,hooks,straight right hands,shorts,accurate punches,that's not 1 dimensional. Cotto can box alot better but Tito was more complete offensively.
Re: Can Cotto Be As Good As Felix Trinidad Was ??
Better! The last four fights Cotto had, he grew up! He did his homework! He's new and improved! He is full of surprises and I did not pick a winner between him and Shane because I liked both subjectively I would have liked a draw. Miguel is going to improve with the attitude he has. This is a man that loves boxing and that is what we the fans want.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Had you asked me a year or so ago my answer would have been straight forward and simple...No.
However in the past year the cotto machine has impressed me to the extent that i have become completely enthralled by him...
His handling of Zab was only equalled by Mayweathers dominace of Judah.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
And his fight against Torres will,linger in memory forever...I thought he was vulnerable then and ripe for the taking!!!
Yet he advances and improves, he got 11 rounds expierience from Judah and 12 from Mosely...I feel that the Cotto we se now is not the finished article and in actuality he will be better than Trinidad in the future.
His beating of Mosely was the equivalnet of the Wright fights....
Totally disagree Wright beat Mosley quite comfortably both times by atleast 4 rounds. In many peoples eyes Cotto vs Mosley was a draw or no more than 1 point in it either way.
Totally disagree ICE. I was at the Cotto-Mosley fight and everyone around me, even the Shane fans were pretty convinced it was unanimous for Cotto. I didn't think there was any doubt.
Mosley got outboxed.
You got that right. HEy Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker I can see you are trying really hard to let people know that you think Cotto is 1 dimensional but simply he just ain't.
Another question: Do we all agree that Cotto killed himself to make 140?
I do think so
