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To deal with the world in its entirity,you have to learn to deal with the bits that are right in front of you
Philly's right in front of you.
To me it has only passing relevance.
And my theory on life is different.
The world is different to every individual as each person has a different perspective and outlook. I look at the world and identify the good and positive points and when a bad thing slaps me in the face i look on how i can improve it. The easiest way to improve a bad situation is positive thinking.
What are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
One thing I get tired of is people harping on political correctness.....yeah people should be able to speak their minds.
Shutting everyone up doesn't make racism any less of an issue, it actually makes the true racists harder to find.
And another thing, what does Al Sharpton have against the letter N, the original "N-word", Nappy, and noose now all carry racist weight to them.....it won't be long before keyboards won't have the letter N on them at all.
I don't advocate the use of such words but saying "the N-word" it's almost like Harry Potter saying "he who shall not be named"....you end up making the word something bigger than just a word and that is all it is....it's just a word. I'm not saying it's not a hurtful word or everything should just be forgotten about but when will the healing begin and when can this issue of racism become just a part of our past so we can focus on the future
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You honestly dont know do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The President of The United States bought in to the great white hope thing with Cooney to the extent there was a line specially installed in Cooneys dressing room to congratulate him.
There was no such line in Holmes dressing room
Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".
By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?
Very well said.... We are just carrying the past now... I mean, a black person can use the N word against another black person an it's fine. But a white person said it and they're likely to get themselves shot..... Why? Because of the past..... I'm with you, history still carries a lot of weight for a lot of people, but when does the healing begin??? When can he word racism finally be forgotten???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Are we just as bad as muslims and want to hang someone for mentioning a certain word that we have strong emotional connections too?? Everyone calls them crazy extremists for wanting to kill someone for naming a bear (naming a bear the same name that half their population has mind you)... But if Joe had of called hopkins the n word,,,,, it would have been WW3 and I have no doubt the reactions would have been similar to that of 'crazy' muslims...
We live in an advanced country and eventually we have to advance our thinking! No one can legally hurt or descriminate against someone of colour... That time is over as far as law goes.... People call other people names EVERY DAY, on EVERY INCH of the PLANET.... Everyone has tried to hurt someone by their words, and most likely everyone has been hurt at someone stage.... It's life! In high school people were called horrible things every single day.. Fuck I had some horrible years in younger high school... Yet we're living in the 'muslim' dark ages when someone points out someone is another colour..
It's little more than political incorrectness now...
Last I checked Cooney and Holmes were still very much aliveQuote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
Nah mate you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that in these days of political correctness and tolerance it is said that there should be no racism from either side, and I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
But what I find irritating is that a black man clearly just trying to hype a fight and put a bit of needle between him and Joe when he says ' I would never lose to a white man', is deemed as racist behaviour as if his comments are as bad as some of the racist outrages that occur on the other side of the fence.
To try and make an analogy here.
Imagine you are a low rung employee in a big firm. The boss is on a power trip and takes advantage of his staff. He denies them proper breaks, he mocks them, he makes them carry out humiliating tasks. He continually finds ways to dock their pay and generally just doesn't treat them very well.
Meanwhile a low end worker is overheard saying the boss is an asshole.
Now eventually the boss is found out and disciplined and fired for discriminating against his staff and a fair employer brought in to run the company.
But imagine the low end worker who was overheard calling the last boss an asshole to another co worker is also accused of discrimination and fired.
It doesn't make sense does it? The low end worker was a victim of discrimination and therefore was just voicing his opinion of the man who was taking advantage of him and his fellow workers. The actuall offenses were being carried out by the boss.
It's the exact same thing here. Nowadays we are all touchy feely about racism and ready to jump on someone when they say anything that our extreme sensibilities can get offended by.
Hopkins says he will never lose to a white man, 'RACISM!' the pc brigade shouts and points at him.
What was his racist behaviousr though? What did he do? How has he acted in a racist way whatesoever? He just said he will never lose to a white man. People say it's racism because he mentioned a colour but what was actually racist about the comment?
It's just the shitty political correctness beige brigade trying to once again show how tuned in they are about anti racism.
No,no,your right,the past is the past
And Cooney/Holmes was over 20 years ago
And as far as we're certain,nobodies chained a black man to the back bumper of a truck for about a decade for being black
Charles Manson your free to go
Also way to show a keen understanding of how people talk in Southeastern PA
Now if he'd said honky or cracker
Well then youd have a perfectly valid point
I gues Waiting For My Man by The Velvet Underground(who are white as the driven snow) should now be changed to "Hey there caucasian male of possible European descent,what you doing up town?"
Ya'all bitch about PC,but you desperatly want your own slice of the PC pie
So that's what Hopkins said? It's on the lighter side of racist, but it still is. And your analogy only works if you put white people in the position of being in charge of black people and slavery ended over 100 years ago. I get what you mean, of the two races that black people are the more downtrodden, but c'mon, Hopkins is a millionaire. Some douche on a street corner calls Hopkins the n-word all he has to do is reach into his pocket and pat his billfold to put it in perspective. What Hopkins said is pandering to the notion that black people fight with an anger that white people don't possess, that it's more natural to us and thus why you should always 'bet on black'. It's crap, because black people lose to white people all the time. Had Joe been from Nigeria Hopkins would have said something else as to why he couldn't lose to him. I don't take him as being a racist for saying it (even though Nation of Islamers are flaming racists from what I've seen of them) because I know where it comes from, but it is a racist comment. It's just not a big whoop to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I guess my poiint is this, anti racism laws were basically brought in to protect black's and other minorites from discrimination from white's. I just find it deeply ironic how now the pc brigade think they have levelled the playing field and that everybody is equal they can confidently point the finger at black offenders and shout 'RACIST!' becuase they mentioned the W word.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
And let's be real here, black discrimination didn't end over a hundred and fifty years ago when slavery was abolished it still continues to the present day. Black's in both the US and UK are far more likely to live below the poverty line than whites, far more likely to have criminal records, far more likely to be arrested etc.
As trainermonkey points out Hopkins grew up in one of the most segregated cities in America and obviously feels a bit of needle over white people in power. His comment wasn't racist to me in the slightest, just a bit of needle to try and make this fight happen. He wants to rile Joe up and get him to sign the contract.
Whether Hopkins is a multi millionaire now has nothing to do with it, he's still a street rat and proud of it I'd imagine.
So basically what I'm saying is that now the pc brigade have reduced racism to merely mentioning the colour of a race not your own. If you mention another colour and say anything negative at all you're a racist.
Meanwhile those in charge can continue to ensure that black minorites are taken off the electral register so that they can't vote, we continue to ensure that by and large black's are far more likely to be at the lower end of the social spectrum, have the worse jobs, have less university opportunites etc but as long as we are careful to tread the PC line and say all the right things it's all ok. ::**
what did hopkins say
He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.Quote:
Originally Posted by undefeated
It's just a poorly drawn up marketing ploy , trying and draw up some type of interest in the match.