Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Again, someone that does'nt understand that this is not a p4p match up. This is a 147lb match up. Those two fights were 2 divisions north of 147. Mayweather's best was 2 divisions below 147. Are you guys seriously thinking size would be no factor at all ???
Um, yeah ::**, size would be no factor at all. Mayweather is just as effective at welterweight as he was at lightweight, the difference is his power was much greater at 135, unfortunately for his opponents, he's never had to rely on power to win, he's won on sheer skill. Trinidad would literally look foolish against Floyd at 147 and there isn't a betting line in the world that wouldn't open Floyd up as at least a 3-1 favorite.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by skyler
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Again, someone that does'nt understand that this is not a p4p match up. This is a 147lb match up. Those two fights were 2 divisions north of 147. Mayweather's best was 2 divisions below 147. Are you guys seriously thinking size would be no factor at all ???
Um, yeah ::**, size would be no factor at all. Mayweather is just as effective at welterweight as he was at lightweight, the difference is his power was much greater at 135, unfortunately for his opponents, he's never had to rely on power to win, he's won on sheer skill. Trinidad would literally look foolish against Floyd at 147 and there isn't a betting line in the world that wouldn't open Floyd up as at least a 3-1 favorite.
Not only his power he was much quicker at Super Featherweight, in fact i would say Mayweather is pretty much unbeatable at Super Featherweight.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by clean
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Again, someone that does'nt understand that this is not a p4p match up. This is a 147lb match up. Those two fights were 2 divisions north of 147. Mayweather's best was 2 divisions below 147. Are you guys seriously thinking size would be no factor at all ???
Most people would disagree that the only reason Trinidad lost to Hopkins and Wright was due to weight. He would have lost the same no matter what weight the fights took place at. Styles make fights, and stylistically, he's more successful against fighters similar to him as opposed to fighters with world class boxing skills.
I never meant to say that the only reason he lost was weight. But it was a factor. Hopkins was all around bigger than Tito and he was able to man-handle him down the stretch. I could see Mayweather outboxing Tito but I cannot see any welterweight manhandling him. I don't see Floyd getting Tito's respect like Hopkins did with that big right hand in the 2nd round.
As for Wright, that was just a styles mismatch. A fighter like Tito would never beat a fighter like Wright.
See, that is why we will allways disagree, to me this is all about style. I alwais felt that the style to beat Floyd is precisely Tito's. A bigger guy with a solid jab and power to end the fight quickly. A patient fighter that knows not to smother his own punches when he's in close. But it is no use arguing. Floyd's star is burning to brightly right now and you are all blinded. I for one will wait and see what the kid can do at welterweight before I'm sold that he could beat a top ten ATG WW like Tito. Much less that he would beat him easilly as some here claim. ::**
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
In boxing there is no something like in Math; such as, if A is bigger than B, and B bigger than C, then A is bigger than C.
Of course there isn't, you are absolutely right and I am not looking at this fight from a P4P standpoint. Also Tito's opposition was never in question..he has a great resume no doubt. However, you are now the one forgetting that Floyd is already proven against opposition that are 'bigger' in size than he is. He beat Oscar when on fight night Oscar weighed nearly a full stone heavier than he did. So we know 'size' isn't effective against Floyd and I don't think the fact that Floyd is one of the best boxers we've had for a long time is up for debate. So I just don't see one advantage that Tito has here apart from his size, which Floyd would nullify like he has done in the past. 9 times out of 10 Floyd wins this.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
honestly i can see both sides of the arguement here. Make no mistake all Tito has todo is land clean once and Floyd could be ko'd....however i cannot see anyway that Tito wins a decision, this fight is made for Floyd's counterpunching and quick combinations to dazzle the judges and give him the majority of rounds.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
mayweather would beat trinidad at 147
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Tito was getting outboxed by Oscar for the majority of their fight at 154. Mayweather is a much better boxer at 147 than Oscar at 154. The biggest difference is that Mayweather brings it for 12 full rounds while getting better with each passing round, while Oscar always fades down the stretch.
Mayweather would box Tito's ears off at 147 en-route to a wide UD.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
Great post. CC. Tito's achilles heal was talented fighters with better boxing skills. Tito often lacked the ability to come up with a plan B. Oscar gave him a boxing lesson, regardless of the shady outcome, as did Winky and Hopkins. JT hit it on the head with "walking around the right like a Zombie." I don't think he could cut off the ring on Floyd. He would be looking the big punch, he would get countered all night, and on top of it, he would get bad or useless advice from his dad in the corner.
Regardless of who is the greater alltime P4P, it's just a bad matchup for Tito. Floyd is just the type of fighter who could make Tito look bad, and when fighter had the skill set, style and ability to do so, Tito could be make to bad.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
Great post. CC. Tito's achilles heal was talented fighters with better boxing skills. Tito often lacked the ability to come up with a plan B. Oscar gave him a boxing lesson, regardless of the shady outcome, as did Winky and Hopkins. JT hit it on the head with "walking around the right like a Zombie." I don't think he could cut off the ring on Floyd. He would be looking the big punch, he would get countered all night, and on top of it, he would get bad or useless advice from his dad in the corner.
Regardless of who is the greater alltime P4P, it's just a bad matchup for Tito. Floyd is just the type of fighter who could make Tito look bad, and when fighter had the skill set, style and ability to do so, Tito could be make to bad.
:coolclick: Tito is easily frustrated and like you mentioned would be trying to set and wait for the homerun that would never come.... Funny thing is we are talking about Tito Trinidad at 147 and in a few weeks he will fighting 170 :o
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by RozzySean
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
Tito has NEVER come close to fighting such an elusive target as Floyd, Whitaker was well past his best defensive prowess when they fought and no one transitions their offense from their defense as well as Mayweather does.. I see Tito getting frustrated potshotted to death and following Floyd around the ring like a Zombie similiar to Coralles(RIP) not being able to pull the trigger and maybe even getting caught by 1 or 2 flash knockdowns to further widen the defecit on points
Great post. CC. Tito's achilles heal was talented fighters with better boxing skills. Tito often lacked the ability to come up with a plan B. Oscar gave him a boxing lesson, regardless of the shady outcome, as did Winky and Hopkins. JT hit it on the head with "walking around the right like a Zombie." I don't think he could cut off the ring on Floyd. He would be looking the big punch, he would get countered all night, and on top of it, he would get bad or useless advice from his dad in the corner.
Regardless of who is the greater alltime P4P, it's just a bad matchup for Tito. Floyd is just the type of fighter who could make Tito look bad, and when fighter had the skill set, style and ability to do so, Tito could be make to bad.
:coolclick: Tito is easily frustrated and like you mentioned would be trying to set and wait for the homerun that would never come.... Funny thing is we are talking about Tito Trinidad at 147 and in a few weeks he will fighting 170 :o
Tito might stand a better chance against a shot Jones who leaves his glass chin hanging out than he would against Floyd. I'm praying Jones plays this one stupid, showboats, and thinks Tito can't hurt him. Jones has been known to hang a curveball once in a while. Even hitters who have lost their batspeed can hit HR's off mistake pitches :)
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.
Hulk it looks like Tito Vs RJJ will be your first loss in my prediction thread, go figure :laugh:
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
im a tito fan but mayweather would win by decision IMO
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
For all of you who have posted that Tito would be looking for the one big shot all night long. Have you EVER seen him fight at 147????? ::**
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Tito was getting outboxed by Oscar for the majority of their fight at 154. Mayweather is a much better boxer at 147 than Oscar at 154. The biggest difference is that Mayweather brings it for 12 full rounds while getting better with each passing round, while Oscar always fades down the stretch.
Mayweather would box Tito's ears off at 147 en-route to a wide UD.
Frozen, that fight was at 147. And that was Prime Undefeated Oscar at his best. I would've loved to have seen how Mayweather could've handled that Oscar given that he could barely handle him when they fought 8 YEARS AFTER. Even then, Oscar did not dominate Tito and Tito kept it close enough to pull of the W in the end. Also, Oscar was not known for stamina issues back then. He was known for rallying at the end. see Carr and Quartey fights. It was Tito that made him fight that way, it was Tito that made him back off at the end. Give the man some credit.
