Top 10 Current Mexican Fighters Plus Top 10 Best Mexicans Fighters Of All Time

So whats that implying exactly ?? i come on here to learn and have a good debate with some knowledgeable posters. You was rude to me but i can understand in this thread looking back at it that you thought my comments were disrespectful, but in a few debates we have had you are implying since i comeback all my comments have been ludicrous. Now your implying i have some sort of game plan so which is it ?? well if everyone thinks i have some sort of game plan going on like your implying i'll just leave the forum that doesn't bother me one bit i was going to have a break anyway because my girl doesn't like me coming on here for a few hours a day. I've got a lot of S*** going on at the moment and i don't really need all these implications from you.

If you think my comments were disrespectful i apologize, but i wish you would of PM me on this subject instead of bringing this topic back.

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I just shake my head when I read this. I know your only 18 but you need to learn this fast. You do not let a female tell you what to do. No matter what.

to POSSIBLY help clarify what Mick is trying to say (i think).. i could use myself for example..

I'm 100% Italian, i look Italian, but i've lived in America my whole life, so if i boxed i'd be American.. even though i'm an "Italian-American"..

I could wear green/white/red on my trunks and call myself the Italian Warrior (like manfredo who's from my hometown ;D) but i'm still American..

hope that helps.

<Chino, you live out here in LA right?>

SandyEggo :P

<The Chinese guy you speak of (Jackie Chan) would be Afican by law.>

"By law" but his race would still be Chinese no matter what. Put the Chinese guy in the middle of a group of African guys from Mozambique and ask anybody if he's African. Anybody in their right mind would tell you "No way! That guy is Chinese!" Why? Because those characteristics represent Chinese people (eye characteristics, and so on).

<blood that flows through their vanes is from 2 Mexican parents BUT the simple fact that his mother gave birth to him in America makes him American.>

Makes him an American citizen but his race does not change to American. Just look at their last names: Gonzalez, Lopez, Gutierrez, Hernandez, De La Hoya, Diaz, etc. Does it sound American to you? People can't even pronounce their names right! But it is not about pronouncing their names right or wrong, its about their race and not what it says on a piece of paper.

<This is the last thing I'll say to you Chino when you go to Mexico and your crossing the border and the border officer asks you where were you born? And you answer ___________ (fill in City of the US you were born in) or you tell him "American Born" and he let's you thru.
Think about that....>

When I travel and I come back to the USA of course I tell them I was born in SandyEggo, California. Legally, that is what I have to say, that is what my birth certificate shows. A paper says I am American, my skin, my heart, my language, my customs/traditions, my relatives, my parents, etc. say something else. I can get naturalized in Finland, Ghana, Vietnam, America, IceLand, etc. But my race will still be intact regardless of dying my hair blonde or tanning until I am as dark as coal. No matter what I do, I am still Mexican. I would have to be born from a lady from Vietnam to be Vietnamese and so on.

My nationality: USA and Mexico (I have both)
My race: Mexican.

<One is what you are and the other is what you feel you are.>

I don't feel I am Mexican, I AM Mexican :) .

mexican aint a race vato loco

we are simply a mixture of native, european and african and yes gonzalez garcia does sound american to me....

but whatever tickles yer arse

im cool just dont let me hear you say vadio

Is Joe Calzaghe British ??? no he's not he's Welsh.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

and yes gonzalez garcia does sound american to me....

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In that case, Washington sounds Japanese to me and Nakamura sounds American :P .

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im cool just dont let me hear you say vadio

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...and yeah, you know how it is in the vad......I mean, uhm, in the, well, nevermind ;D .

Everyone has the right to pride in their heritage. However, although a person may be derived of a certain race or nation, there is a limit on how much that person can claim to be a member of that group.

Out of expierience I will take the case of Irish Americans. Having travelled to the US on a number of occasions I met a number of "Irish-Americans" who derived from the same region that I originate. These people are fiercely proud of their heritage and I felt would not have taken kindly to me pointing out the differences between them and I.

The people maintain in touch with their Irish heritage on a dily basis, making a concious effort to keep thei "Irishness" alive. This is where I get my main issue. They wake up every mornig and try to be Irish, they practice their accents they use Irish words and slang and behave how they feel an Irish person should. I wake up in the morning and I am Irish, I sound like and Irish person and the words I use are Irish. I have no choice. I'd prefer to wake up in the morning and be Mexican or Spainish or anything else, somewhere with a nice climate preferably!!! But regardless I wake up in the morning an Irish person.

The people I met wake up in the morning in Tallahasse in Florida, they go to work or school in Tallahasse Florida and my friend goes to FSU. They socialise in Florida, eat American food, speak with an American accent, use the American dollar as currency, live of the American economy and no the words of the American national anthem.
They actually said to me they're "just as Irish" as I am...

I think it's cool their so proud of it, but as I mentioned if they live of the American economy and benefit from all the great things the country has to offer, then they should show respect, be grateful and call themselves American.

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Originally Posted by Chino

Nakamura sounds American.

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excellent example! Probably why Nakamura is #1 on the list of American chess players right now.

I think Gene Tunney is #1 on my list of top British boxers of all-time. I'm sure if yu go far back enough in his family tree, you find a Brit or two. [/irony]

On a more serious note, I can't believe Zarate was left off anyone's top 10.