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Originally Posted by Hulk

Yeah, you're right. But just look at Wladimir, you really believe that is all natural?

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Look at James Toney......looks can be deceiving. I think Wlad is a natural athlete if he wasn't he'd be a ton heavier than 240-244.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....Wladimir has never tested positive for any banned substances, unlike James Toney who tested positive TWICE

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Yeah, you're right. But just look at Wladimir, you really believe that is all natural?

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He stands over 6'6" he averages 240-250..( I think he was a career high for the Austin fight at 247)...The guy has been involved in sports his whole life...he is not overly large for his frame...he has an athletic build...really not too much bulk on him...Wlad has a build that can be kept up pretty much with cardio.....At best he uses supplements...other then that he is all natural

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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

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Originally Posted by Hulk

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....Wladimir has never tested positive for any banned substances, unlike James Toney who tested positive TWICE

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Yeah, you're right. But just look at Wladimir, you really believe that is all natural?

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He stands over 6'6" he averages 240-250..( I think he was a career high for the Austin fight at 247)...The guy has been involved in sports his whole life...he is not overly large for his frame...he has an athletic build...really not too much bulk on him...Wlad has a build that can be kept up pretty much with cardio.....At best he uses supplements...other then that he is all natural

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Everybody is on supplements, Wlad too.

Wlad pisses excellence.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Everybody is on supplements, Wlad too.

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Supplements are OK, STEROIDS and HGH are not OK as they are banned substances and Wladimir has never tested positive for banned substances.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I am really sick of everyone saying how horrible the heavyweights are now.It's seems to me since there a no heavyweights who are american they ain't worth a damn to watch.That just isn't true.I would take any of these heavyweights Chageav,Ibragimov,Peter,Valeuv.Over any of the heavies of yesteryear like Coetzee,Weaver,Page,Tucker-a little later Bruno,Ruddock,Moorer.Any of these champs I would take over the older one's in there hayday.I think the real problem is we don't give them any credit when they really are a solid bunch of fighters.

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Page, Tucker, were very skilled Heavyweights even Ali was impressed with Greg Page. Tucker also went the distance with Tyson and Lewis when they were in there prime. Tucker and Page would have mopped the floor with these slow plodding Heavyweights we have today.

Sorry but you can't really know a lot about 80s or 90s Heavyweights.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

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Frank Bruno is the British version of Hasim Rahman

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No he isn't Bruno was much better than Rahman, Bruno had good skills and a good jab to trouble anyone. The only boxer who really ever dominated him was Tyson. Raham made his name off getting one lucky punch, Bruno made his name for his devastating power and being unlucky in World title attempts he was clearly winning except for the Tyson fights. If Rahman had any of the sort of skills Bruno had he would be able to beat any Heavyweight out there.

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

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Frank Bruno is the British version of Hasim Rahman

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No he isn't Bruno was much better than Rahman, Bruno had good skills and a good jab to trouble anyone. The only boxer who really ever dominated him was Tyson. Raham made his name off getting one lucky punch, Bruno made his name for his devastating power and being unlucky in World title attempts he was clearly winning except for the Tyson fights. If Rahman had any of the sort of skills Bruno had he would be able to beat any Heavyweight out there.

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Bruno was not a bad fighter at all. Not great. But he had a power, a good jab, good skills, good heart, just a fairly weak chin and not the best stamina from all those muscles.

I don't think Bruno had a bad chin. He was always knackered when he got stopped, apart from the Tyson and Lewis defeats.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Dude, yes, yes they were. The Frank Bruno that Lennox had to fight, and TKO'd was better than every single opponent that Wlad has ever fought and defeated. Sam Peter included.

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Frank Bruno is the British version of Hasim Rahman

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No he isn't Bruno was much better than Rahman, Bruno had good skills and a good jab to trouble anyone. The only boxer who really ever dominated him was Tyson. Raham made his name off getting one lucky punch, Bruno made his name for his devastating power and being unlucky in World title attempts he was clearly winning except for the Tyson fights. If Rahman had any of the sort of skills Bruno had he would be able to beat any Heavyweight out there.

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Bruno was not a bad fighter at all. Not great. But he had a power, a good jab, good skills, good heart, just a fairly weak chin and not the best stamina from all those muscles.

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See Hulk thats not quite true Bruno never had a weak chin, it was more to do with his bad survival instincts. If you see his fights with Witherspoon, Tyson 1, Bonecrusher, Lewis, Bruno took brutal shots and he was still standing except for Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, fights where he just beaten down with a barrage of punches, i think it was more to do with Bruno's lack of survival instincts than a weak chin.

Bruno's biggest problem was his muscular body tight muscles like his retain lactic acid & drain stamina the longer a fight went the more drained of energy he became & against Witherspoon & bonechrusher he was a sitting duck .ok so Tyson took him out fairly early but Tyson then was a class act

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Originally Posted by telboy66

Bruno's biggest problem was his muscular body tight muscles like his retain lactic acid & drain stamina the longer a fight went the more drained of energy he became & against Witherspoon & bonechrusher he was a sitting duck .ok so Tyson took him out fairly early but Tyson then was a class act

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I do agree but how did Holyfield and Norton have so much stamina then ?? because they very heavily muscled as well.

that's a hard one to figure, but generally guys that have the long loose muscles IE Ali seem yo have better staying power