Re: Sugar Ray Leonard:why do some hate him/think he was over rated?
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Sam langford is not above Ray in pound for pound and if you argue the fight with Duran then let me ask you this how you think the first one would of went if Ray boxed. As for Pryor you over rate the man and give me a article of Ray saying he ducked him or never fight him and i will believe you. Pryor competion was alright not great think you overrate him because you are a fan Pryor was good Leonard was a level above and his wins and career speak for him i don't have to.
Langford fought at Lightweight all the way up to Heavyweight beating great fighters, and had one of the best records of all time. So i think Langford is well ahead of Leonard in All Time P4P rankings without a doubt in my mind.
I don't overrate Pryor at all its a fact Leonard avoided Pryor in the Amateurs Leonard moved up a weight class to avoid Pryor, and in the pro's Pryor also called Leonard out at a press conference but yet again Leonard dismissed his challenge i wonder why ??
We aren't talking about there accomplishments we are talking about Leonard avoiding Aaron Pryor. Pryor was ducked quite a lot in his career plus his division wasn't filled with great names, that isn't his fault but he is still one of the best Jr Welterweights of all time.
Who knows if Duran could of beat Leonard in the 1st fight if Leonard boxed ?? all i know is that the 2nd fight was very close when Duran quit with stomach cramps. But what you must realize is that Duran come into that fight poorly conditioned, even Duran's team wanted to pull out of the fight. He had to lose 50+ pounds in a very short time so he was very weight drained and his training sessions were poor.
I never heard of this fellow Sam Langford? . you pulling out the history books on us iceman :laugh: ? My opinion is Pryor made some mistakes technically that a fighter like Ray would have likely capitalized on . Mainly being AP’s chin sticking out high and dry all the time .
Here's an old thread I did mate ;)
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...html#msg269689
Re: Sugar Ray Leonard:why do some hate him/think he was over rated?
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Originally Posted by Mr140
CC Ice i did get the wrong idea about what you were saying when you first answered the question then again SRL is my fav for lower weights so i get defensive so maybe i went a bit over board when i just good i mean he was greatest light welter and that makes him great right there.
CC back.
Re: Sugar Ray Leonard:why do some hate him/think he was over rated?
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Aaron Pryor was a really good fighter, but from what I've seen of Pryor... Ray Leonard had nothing to worry about.
I agree with you totally.
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Sugar Ray Leonard was a magnificent fighter who was driven by ego - so to say he ducked anybody in his prime is a joke. You don't fight an undefeated Thomas Hearns in his prime but are somehow scared to fight others. ::**
He lost the rematch to Hearns IMO but both were past it and it holds no real value on their legacies.
I thought he lost to Hagler at the time but I was 10 then and since growing up and watching it I have no qualms with the decision. Both fighters were faded and Hagler in particular was just too slow and hardly landed many decent punches.
Leonard won the rematch with Duran fair and square - Duran quit. The 3rd fight was pointless.
Leonard's speed, reflex's and his venom made him a truly great fighter. He had a great chin to go with the flair. Sure he was cocky but he had the ability to back it up.
Hearns was a nasty son of a bitch when he had people hurt but Leonard was pure evil when the killer instinct kicked in.
Totally agree bro,good posting.
