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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well I don't think I ever used the words "shit" or "crap" in my post. All I said is the division sucks. Mainly for the reasons you have just stated here. I also said it is moving in the right direction to make it a better division than it currently is.
Can a guy who was 38-2 really be described as a journeyman? What, because he's fought all over the world and has a couple losses? That would make a great deal of fighters journeyman who many would not describe as such. I would have described a journeyman as a veteran fighter who, win or lose, fights just about anywhere, anytime and is a place filler of an opponent for the guy everyone really came to see. I would expect a lower KO ratio and several more losses to have considered Sanders that. He was a competent, straight punching giant killer and he caught Klitschko right as he was hitting his 'rockstar status', meaning he was more interested in showing off to the fans than concentrating on a very viable opponent. Maybe Klitschko thought he was a journeyman, but anyone who had actually looked at his record would have thought better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I don't think Klitschko-Ibragimov is the beginning of the new age in the division. If Ibragimov acquits himself well or manages to win is one thing- maybe that will be the ushering in of the superior, smaller heavyweight as Brewster thought was coming, but to find the new age one has only to look at the fighters waiting in the wings who will make for exciting fights in the next ten years or so. Sam Peter isn't even 30 years old and has been steadily improving, despite a rough road to victory against McCline. Alexander Povetkin showed what heart looks like, out-hustling the slick Eddie Chambers. David Haye may move up any minute and Klitschko himself is only 31. Heavyweights don't reach their prime until their mid to late 30s. I see him reigning as king of the division for at least the next five years until one of these upstarts has the guts to come after him. In that space of time he should be able to collect Chagaev and Peter's belts. Peter-Klitschko II will be a definite FOTY candidate, whatever year it happens in.
Yes, Corrie Sanders was a force to be feared in the heavyweight division, which was why he flew all the way to Germany to be the opponent against the name fighter in a country where you need a knock out to get a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
Two words: Steve Cunningham. It's called confidence. Yes, he flew all the way to Germany, knowing full well Klitschko would be the favorite to win since he signed the contract and guess what? He won by KO. Guess how many other people had done that to him in over 40 fights- 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Oh, sorry. I guess Steve Cunningham is just a journeyman.
I don't know what Steve Cunningham has to do with anything.
...I just want to say there has only ever been 1 perfect heavyweight and even he get's hated on.
Just because a guy loses a fight doesn't mean he's a bum and just because a guy wins a few fights it doesn't make him great.
That being said, Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight right now in a competitive division. Honestly we don't really know what else is out there.....most of these guys haven't been put to the fire, Wladimir has and sometimes he's come through OK and sometimes he hasn't but the good outweighs the bad in my opinion.
The Sunderland (North) 25-40s 5-a-side football league is competitive too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Hey you can have your opinion, it's wrong but hey you don't like the division don't post about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFnUBr14LyY
Bert Sugar says the heavyweight division isn't dead....and I respect his opinion.
Wladimir wants to be the ONE true heavyweight champion and this is a stepping stone to become that...you can't do anything but praise him for trying to unify
Bert Sugar is working for HBO. Let's see where he ranks him the next time he writes a book on the heavyweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Klitschko still won't get anybody's attention if he does become unified least worst heavyweight because he just isn't good enough to make people want to watch. I'm off for a nice weekend and won't even watch the recording if it's a decision. If the heavyweight division can't get people like me interested it's going to remain dead and buried to the general public.
Bert Sugar doesn't work for HBO, he's a boxing WRITER....does HBO put out a magazine???? Last time I checked they didn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Name me ONE heavyweight you appreciated
....hey some people think tofu is the best stuff on Earth but you won't catch me agreeing with them
HBO: Boxing: Bios: BERT RANDOLPH SUGARQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You can read his columns on the HBO website. On the right side of this page you can see the names of the other HBO employees.
....fine and he's excited about a heavyweight fight....he doesn't HAVE to beQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
But anyway you don't care about the fight and the division then don't watch it and don't post about it because if you "aren't intrested" then why would anyone be "interested" in reading your opinion about it?
So let's just not waste everyone's time and you mozy along to other topics that are more interesting to you
He's speaking as an employee. Let's see what he and others have to say in a few years about the current heavyweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If somebody is posting a thread about the dawn of a new age in heavyweight boxing I have the right to an opinion on that. Just don't bother reading my posts if you don't like reading what I'm saying.