Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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03-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Kel

He has but he just said there is no point. Idiot boy

I've read his past posts. Just like you, he has nothing.
03-02-2008, 02:22 AM
Kel

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I've read his past posts. Just like you, he has nothing.

You was not asking for a past post. Idiot
03-02-2008, 02:51 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Kel

You was not asking for a past post. Idiot

He would of made the same weak points he made in the past. Dumb ass
03-03-2008, 06:18 PM
p4pking

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Kel

You was not asking for a past post. Idiot

I think it's fairly clear from reading both of your posts, that VD knows boxing a lot better than you do, as well as being more intelligent than you are. He's the one who's backed up his argument in this thread.. So I do believe the ball is in your court. Idiot.
03-03-2008, 06:35 PM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

Easy Fellas.
Ricky has been quet as of late and I suspect there may be a lot of scrabbling about in the back room of the Hatton empire.
Without fighting, Witter is becoming an increasing threat on Hatton's current repuatattion and his legacy.

The fight will happen and when it does Ricky should win by a bruising UD or even stoppage
03-03-2008, 06:57 PM
Deanrw

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

I think Ricky had a tough go at it last time and deserves a warmup fight first. I also believe he owes it to himself and the UK boxing fans to fight Witter after the warmup fight.

Time to let the dust settle. Ricky will beat him if he can get himself back to the confidence level he had before Mayweather.
03-04-2008, 07:20 AM
Violent Demise

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I think it's fairly clear from reading both of your posts, that VD knows boxing a lot better than you do, as well as being more intelligent than you are. He's the one who's backed up his argument in this thread.. So I do believe the ball is in your court. Idiot.

I don't even know why kel posts on this site. Punk knows nothing about boxing
03-04-2008, 08:20 AM
Althugz

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by leftylee

As far as am concerned Collazo never kicked Hatton's ass, I admit Hatton nearly got KNFO in that last round but look at the way I used the word "Nearly" ;) beacuse it never happened. Hatton showed his determination and courage coming through that last round and despite him having a matter of weeks to train and the bout was at welterweight against a tricky southpaw, then for Hatton to win by UD and floor Collazo in the process is a big achievemnet.

I've got every Hatton fight on DVD and I've watched them all a number of times and where you say "He can add another shot fighter to his resume" is bullshit VD coz Hatton ain't fought nobody shot. Watch the Castillo fight again and notice how in the 3rd Castillo clearly won that round and so Hatton was not fully dominating going to the 4th round (Where he KO'd Castillo which Mayweather could not do in 24 rounds ;))

Carlos Maussa was in his prime after KO'ing Harris and only losing to Cotto on cuts yet Hatton KO'd him in 9.

Kosta Tzsyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell 6/7 months before Hatton and was number 2 P4P so how on earth was he shot ??

Let's remmeber Hatton has fought 4 world champions (2 in a division where he ain't comfortable) and beat 3 of them KO'ing 2 and who has Witter fought ???

Witter only deserves a ring with Hatton to carry in his Ring Light-Welter belt ;D

You can say what you want about Hatton but he is the bravest boxer on the planet and that is a fact!!!

Floyd Mayweather had to use dirty tactics to beat Hatton, a natural 140 pounder, so what does that say about him??

Man you seriously need to lose your boner for Ricky Hatton..
03-04-2008, 09:21 AM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Man you seriously need to lose your boner for Ricky Hatton..

He was a fan this time last year and he'll be a fan this time next year.
It's loyalty.
03-04-2008, 09:56 AM
leftylee

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Man you seriously need to lose your boner for Ricky Hatton..

I'm being called a loyal fan by sticking up for him. You could say that about other members but I ain't saying who beacuse I don't wanted to be hated around here like you are.
03-04-2008, 11:13 AM
ono

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by ICB

Mayweather used dirty tactics to beat Hatton ?? theres sour grapes then theres ridiculous, and your acting ridiculous now. Mayweather beat Hatton by neutralizing his offense on the inside, he also beat him with surperior boxing skills, it was a one sided affair and Hatton was totally outclassed end of. Hatton was doing his fair share of illegal tactics as well.

And as for Hatton's opponents, Carlos Maussa ?? please Maussa is terrible he was coming off taking a beating from Miguel Cotto, and i seem to remember Maussa recently got stopped in about 2 minutes ??

Jose Luis Castillo was at his best at Lightweight, before his fight with Hatton he looked like a shot fighter against Herman Ngoudjo.

Kostya Tszyu was 35 and had only fought like 3 times in 3 years.

Oh and by the way Luis Collazo was considered an easy opponent for Hatton, Collazo was virtually unknown and if you look back at old posts on this forum 95 percent were predicting an easy quick win for Hatton.

I see where both you and VD are coming from but your way over the top....

First off, watch Danny's video. It is an excellent analysis of the fight. How the fuck can you hit somebody when they duck down below your waist whenever you throw? Not saying Hatton is a saint because he isn't, but the video pretty much highlights the fact that the Floyd Mayweather method of avoiding punches is illegal. Kudos to him for getting away with it and even without that method he'd have most likely won.

To say Castillo was shot is a bit harsh considering he handled Ngoudjo a hell of a lot better than Paulie did. I know your probably going to say styles make fights, but the fact is he still looked a hell of a lot better than Paulie did. I know Castillo had a fight before that with Reyes and he didn't look great but then again he ko'd Chico in the fight before. Yes there was the weight issue but that punch would probably have done it no matter what.

To say Kosta was shot is just ignorant. How the fuck can the p4p #2 fighter coming off a 3rd round destruction of Sharmba Mitchell be considered shot? How does a shot fighter become the number 2 ranked fighter in the world at any weight? Is your boxing knowledge so great that you've decided to over-rule the vast majority of boxing experts all over the world by declaring his shotness?

And you will probably find that most people on here based their predictions on a 'Collazo, who the fuck is he? Hatton will win' mentality. I certainly didn't think it would be an easy fight and neither did Billy Graham seen as tho he tried to talk Hatton out of it.

I can see what you and VD are getting at by saying his best 2 wins have been against older fighters but you can't just dismiss old as being shot because they are 2 completely different things.
03-04-2008, 02:28 PM
ICB

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by ono

I see where both you and VD are coming from but your way over the top....

First off, watch Danny's video. It is an excellent analysis of the fight. How the fuck can you hit somebody when they duck down below your waist whenever you throw? Not saying Hatton is a saint because he isn't, but the video pretty much highlights the fact that the Floyd Mayweather method of avoiding punches is illegal. Kudos to him for getting away with it and even without that method he'd have most likely won.

To say Castillo was shot is a bit harsh considering he handled Ngoudjo a hell of a lot better than Paulie did. I know your probably going to say styles make fights, but the fact is he still looked a hell of a lot better than Paulie did. I know Castillo had a fight before that with Reyes and he didn't look great but then again he ko'd Chico in the fight before. Yes there was the weight issue but that punch would probably have done it no matter what.

To say Kosta was shot is just ignorant. How the fuck can the p4p #2 fighter coming off a 3rd round destruction of Sharmba Mitchell be considered shot? How does a shot fighter become the number 2 ranked fighter in the world at any weight? Is your boxing knowledge so great that you've decided to over-rule the vast majority of boxing experts all over the world by declaring his shotness?

And you will probably find that most people on here based their predictions on a 'Collazo, who the fuck is he? Hatton will win' mentality. I certainly didn't think it would be an easy fight and neither did Billy Graham seen as tho he tried to talk Hatton out of it.

I can see what you and VD are getting at by saying his best 2 wins have been against older fighters but you can't just dismiss old as being shot because they are 2 completely different things.

Im not saying Mayweather was a saint in the fight, but what makes me laugh is that all these *Hatton fans* were saying Cortez was one of the best refs for Hatton. But now Hatton got outclassed its *suddenly* different. Hatton was also doing his fair share of rabbit punching and illegal blows if i had the amount of time Danny had on his hands, then i could do a video showing all of Hatton's illegal tactics which were just as bad.

Why is it harsh ?? most people on this site were saying Castillo was shot. Your not going to tell me that he didn't like a shot fighter against Herman Ngoudjo are you ?? plus Castillo's best weight was at Lightweight, so i would consider that a shot fighter.

What has Tszyu's P4P ranking got to do with anything ?? first off he was P4P number 3 not 2. and second just because he was ranked high in P4P rankings doesn't mean he wasn't shot. Pernell Whitaker was ranked P4P number 1 when he was struggling with the likes of Diosbelys Hurtado and Wilfredo Rivera and i considered Whitaker shot at that time and he was P4P number 1, so it doesn't matter where you are ranked in the P4P Ono. Its just common sense that when your 35 years old, and you have only fought like 3 times in about 4 years, you will no way be able to perform at your best nowhere it. 35 years old is old in boxing and top that off with all the inactivity.

Well of course thats what people thought Ono, it was supposed to be a easy title for Hatton to make a good start at Welterweight, no one had heard of Collazo im glad you agree with that.
03-04-2008, 04:51 PM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

I in particualr felt Cortez would have suited Hatton, but I know feel Cortez was unjust.

Are you saying that I'm wrong Ice?
03-04-2008, 05:05 PM
ono

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by ICB

Im not saying Mayweather was a saint in the fight, but what makes me laugh is that all these *Hatton fans* were saying Cortez was one of the best refs for Hatton. But now Hatton got outclassed its *suddenly* different. Hatton was also doing his fair share of rabbit punching and illegal blows if i had the amount of time Danny had on his hands, then i could do a video showing all of Hatton's illegal tactics which were just as bad.

Why is it harsh ?? most people on this site were saying Castillo was shot. Your not going to tell me that he didn't like a shot fighter against Herman Ngoudjo are you ?? plus Castillo's best weight was at Lightweight, so i would consider that a shot fighter.

What has Tszyu's P4P ranking got to do with anything ?? first off he was P4P number 3 not 2. and second just because he was ranked high in P4P rankings doesn't mean he wasn't shot. Pernell Whitaker was ranked P4P number 1 when he was struggling with the likes of Diosbelys Hurtado and Wilfredo Rivera and i considered Whitaker shot at that time and he was P4P number 1, so it doesn't matter where you are ranked in the P4P Ono. Its just common sense that when your 35 years old, and you have only fought like 3 times in about 4 years, you will no way be able to perform at your best nowhere it. 35 years old is old in boxing and top that off with all the inactivity.

Well of course thats what people thought Ono, it was supposed to be a easy title for Hatton to make a good start at Welterweight, no one had heard of Collazo im glad you agree with that.

Would you care to elaborate on that? Still don't see how one bad performance against very tough opposition makes you a shot fighter. Bernard Hopkins best weight is middleweight and he's over 35. If calzaghe beats him at super middle will B-Hop be considered shot? I'm just not following your reasoning. Any fighter regardless of age can struggle against tough opposition on any given night. Wasn't Castillo fighting at 140 because he could no longer make lightweight? Therefore you'd expect him to be more comfortable at 140 then he would have been at 135.

I still disagree with you believeing Tsyzu was shot. At no time in the fight did he look shot. He certainly didn't look shot 7 months earlier against Mitchell and regardless of inactivity, that's what we have to judge him on.

ODLH was 34 when he fought Mayweather and he had been inactive for around a year. So was he shot? If so, how is it the p4p number 1 fighter on the planet only managed a split decision? The reasoning makes no sense.

And while i agree Collazo was an unknown, he wasn't picked as an easy opponent for Hatton. He was the only opponent left for the May 13th date that Hatton had with HBO.
03-04-2008, 06:12 PM
ICB

Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff

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Originally Posted by ono

Would you care to elaborate on that? Still don't see how one bad performance against very tough opposition makes you a shot fighter. Bernard Hopkins best weight is middleweight and he's over 35. If calzaghe beats him at super middle will B-Hop be considered shot? I'm just not following your reasoning. Any fighter regardless of age can struggle against tough opposition on any given night. Wasn't Castillo fighting at 140 because he could no longer make lightweight? Therefore you'd expect him to be more comfortable at 140 then he would have been at 135.

I still disagree with you believeing Tsyzu was shot. At no time in the fight did he look shot. He certainly didn't look shot 7 months earlier against Mitchell and regardless of inactivity, that's what we have to judge him on.

ODLH was 34 when he fought Mayweather and he had been inactive for around a year. So was he shot? If so, how is it the p4p number 1 fighter on the planet only managed a split decision? The reasoning makes no sense.

And while i agree Collazo was an unknown, he wasn't picked as an easy opponent for Hatton. He was the only opponent left for the May 13th date that Hatton had with HBO.

Sorry but your first comment makes no real sense to me. just because Hopkins is still fighting at a high level while he is in 40's, doesn't compare with Kostya Tszyu. Because every human being is different just because one boxer can fight well at an old age doesn't mean another boxer can. Take Bowe for example he was a shot fighter at only 28. The fact is Tszyu was old in boxing standards, and plus with all the inactivity that just makes it even worse.

Castillo had spent most of his career at Lightweight, clearly when he fought Herman he wasn't comfortable at that weight or he was shot its one of the two take your pick.

Well everyone says Sharmba Mitchell was a shot fighter when he fought Mayweather, and Mitchell fought Mayweather not long his 2nd bout with Tszyu. So if we are using that logic then Mitchell was indeed a shot fighter when he fought Tszyu correct ?? so beating a shot Sharmba Mitchell doesn't really mean much does it ?? plus Mitchell was never that good in the first place. Yes he had some skills and was a decent champion but thats about it. And plus Kostya Tszyu had already beat Mitchell before so what did it really prove beating Mitchell again ?? I have different opinion on the matter to you so its pointless keep discussing Tszyu situation. Hatton beat a great fighter and it was one of Hatton's best performance's, IMO Tszyu was past his best but you believe different so i'll leave it at that.

ODLH had some of his best performances at Light Middleweight, his loss to Hopkins and his controversial decision against Sturm were all at Middleweight where he had flab around midsection. He comeback and destroyed Mayorga in impressive fashion, in fact ODLH's only loss at Light Middleweight at that time was to Shane Mosley in whicn most people thought ODLH won. And lets not forget on fight night ODLH was almost 1 stone heavier than Mayweather, and Mayweather was the one moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before so you cannot compare that to Hattpn vs Tszyu, ODLH was past his best but he wasn't as shot as Tszyu was. In fact the ODLH who fought Mayweather was the best ODLH i had seen in quite awhile. And come off it Ono don't tell me you honestly believe Mayweather only beat ODLH by SD ?? most people see Mayweather clearly winning the fight 8-4, 7-5 or 7-4-1. The punchstats were big in Mayweather's favor and he just out boxed ODLH in the end it wasn't that close and if you honestly believe it was then you need to rewatch the fight because it wasn't close.

Collazo was an unknown and was the weakest belt holder at Welterweight if i remember rightly ?? it was supposed to be an easy belt for Hatton to pick up to make his claim at Welterweight, but it didn't work out that way as we all know.

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