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...Well no one knew who he was when Byrd beat him...he had a torn rotator cuff see if Holyfield would want to try and gut out his torn rotator cuff again or quit if given the chance again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
He has had a bad back for a while and neck surgery...I think he shouldn't fight anymore but I don't fault him for wanting to continue to do what he loves and is good at....no reason to lose respect for him just because his body is wearing down.
I apologise for offensive terminology then. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I just found you to be ignorant that after he tested positive once, you said years of steroid abuse. That's just making an assumption of a guy you don't know. You were quick to point a finger, I was being quick to defend. All good mate.
Hey Lyle...you got a book called 'Unser FitnessBuch' by the Klitschkos? I just bought it off amazon...if you got it...how do you find it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Also, few people said Vitali is rusty and stuff and won't be the same when he comes back. I reckon he will be a little rusty but not like the rest. The majority of boxers on return haven't trained for years and stuff so they suck on the return. Who is to say if Vitali hasn't been training hard for the past few years? I see the Klitschko being really secretive in their training programs, which I think is great, so I wouldn't be suprised if Vitali has been going hard at it.
Besides I see the brothers being very smart and having lots of common sense. I don't believe for a second that Vitali would step up to the challenge if he didn't feel that he could do it. I don't believe he will be like Maskaev.
But 3 years off is going to effect any professional athlete. Down here we call it match fitness, you can be as fit as you want but sparring & fighting are two completely different things. Not even Vitali will know how the layoff has effected him until he gets in the ringQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
In the defence of the guys who said that Vitali had been abusing steroids it's not actually their fault.
The media upon hearing of Vitali's positive test went with the banner headline "Klitschko admits to steroid abuse."
This contrasted greatly with the article which stated that Vitalki admitted to taking a substance perscribed to him by a doctor for an injury. However it is the headlines that stick in mind.
It's unfortunate that the media can spin things however they want (even negatively). When muscles are weak or experience atrophy doctors sometimes prescribe certain steroids... therefore making it medical/medication prescribed legitimately under the care of a doctor. This does not fall under the lines of abuse or trying to beat the system. If your injured or sick.. you go to the doctor in which him or her devise a plan of how and what to medicate to get the patient well. There was clearly no flying under the radar to get an unfair disadvantage. Now people should know more than ever that his injuries linger so sometimes they prescribe things that aid in healing. Believe me.. those steriods they prescribe for weak muscles will not give you an unfair advantage. You have to be taking some serious stuff and about enough to kill a full grown horse to get "unfair advantages".
I never read the book you're talking about Lucky, I actually haven't read any boxing books...I might have to remedy that.
Galaxy, sure the time off will affect Vitali but with his awkward style I just don't think it will affect him as much as let's say a Roy Jones Jr or a Floyd Mayweather Jr.....those guys use their instinct and speed....Vitali uses his size and height....it's a different ball game when you don't really have to deal with rhythm or timing
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Originally Posted by Lyle...Well no one knew who he was when Byrd beat him...he had a torn rotator cuff see if Holyfield would want to try and gut out his torn rotator cuff again or quit if given the chance again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
He has had a bad back for a while and neck surgery...I think he shouldn't fight anymore but I don't fault him for wanting to continue to do what he loves and is good at....no reason to lose respect for him just because his body is wearing down.
Danny Williams had a torn rotator cuff in one fight and didn't quit so why excuse Vitali for the same thing?
I doubt Holyfield would quit.
Also Vitali quit against Byrd? Ike punked Byrd out in 5 rounds.
Vitali in his prime fighting years lost to a 38 year old Lennox Lewis who had one foot in retirement and went into that fight at his career Heaviest.
So let's all Welcome back Vitali who has already pulled out of a few fights.
Who cares- the guy was overated in the 1st place.
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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I think Williams had his shoulder dislocated and fought on onehanded for one rnd and got lucky knocking his opponent out...very brave,but how many rnds did Vitali box with his injury ?!?I think people are pretty fast calling boxers a sissy,when injured or ill...And even if they show guts like Abraham fighting 8 rnds with a broken jaw against Miranda they don't get any(or much) credit...so what will it be ?!?...
Yes that was against Mark Potter Johnny he dislocated his shoulder in round 3, but his corner popped it back in again i believe or something like that. But it popped out again in round 6 and he was fighting with one arm and he managed to somehow knock Potter down with a left hook, and then went in for the kill and dropped him another two times while fighting with one arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAssQuote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I think Williams had his shoulder dislocated and fought on onehanded for one rnd and got lucky knocking his opponent out...very brave,but how many rnds did Vitali box with his injury ?!?I think people are pretty fast calling boxers a sissy,when injured or ill...
Ok Johnny, You say with Danny it was only one round which is wrong as ICB just pointed out, how about backing up your facts with how many rounds Klitschko had shoulder problems- instead of just trying to prove one argument wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAssQuote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I think Williams had his shoulder dislocated and fought on onehanded for one rnd and got lucky knocking his opponent out...very brave,but how many rnds did Vitali box with his injury ?!?I think people are pretty fast calling boxers a sissy,when injured or ill...And even if they show guts like Abraham fighting 8 rnds with a broken jaw against Miranda they don't get any(or much) credit...so what will it be ?!?...
Maybe your just guessing and when it comes to Vitali you don't know.
Check Google if you need to.
I saw the Potter fight and for you to say Lucky is silly - you never saw the fight so why preach about it. Danny showed heart and took heavy shots against a limited fighter who could bang but smelt blood.
Then your on about Miranda - I saw that fight. No point listening to you as your posting half- cocked as your post proved.
I didn't know that Williams fought longer than one rnd I've only seen the youtube vid that someone posted...and like I said before a brave performance by Williams...As for Vitali I don't know how many rnds he fought with his injury ,but so don't you...And he was winning the fight,so he must have been in much agony to give up his title that way...Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobOk Johnny, You say with Danny it was only one round which is wrong as ICB just pointed out, how about backing up your facts with how many rounds Klitschko had shoulder problems- instead of just trying to prove one argument wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAssQuote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I think Williams had his shoulder dislocated and fought on onehanded for one rnd and got lucky knocking his opponent out...very brave,but how many rnds did Vitali box with his injury ?!?I think people are pretty fast calling boxers a sissy,when injured or ill...And even if they show guts like Abraham fighting 8 rnds with a broken jaw against Miranda they don't get any(or much) credit...so what will it be ?!?...
Maybe your just guessing and when it comes to Vitali you don't know.
Check Google if you need to.
I saw the Potter fight and for you to say Lucky is silly - you never saw the fight so why preach about it. Danny showed heart and took heavy shots against a limited fighter who could bang but smelt blood.
Then your on about Miranda - I saw that fight. No point listening to you as your posting half- cocked as your post proved.
But thats also not the point...again like I said before people are way to harsh when a boxer pulls out of a fight because of injury or sickness,or quits a fight because of this...and on the other hand people give way too less credit if a boxer fights under these condition...I give you an example:
Zsolt Erdei vs Mehdi Sahnoune...a fight which Erdei should have easily won and at the beginning it looked that way,but then Erdei started having trouble being at the brink of getting ko'ed.But Erdei fought on catching his second wind and scored a tko in the 12th rnd...But what nobody knew before the fight that Erdei went into it with a rib injury,because the fight was already postponed once(Erdei had an infect...) Erdei was afraid of more bad press and took the risk fighting injured...
Nobody gave Erdei any credit for fighting injured,but alot would have bashed him if he pulled out of the fight again or quited during the fight...
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i do not fully comprehend the question, does peter have a chance at what exactly?
If its bending down and taking it up the fudge hole it should be easier because Vitali is a tall man and Samuel Peter looks around 5'4.
That being said I do think Klit should stay in retirement, an educated human such as Klitface has more to accomplish using his mind rather than fists.
Klitface for president of Zimbabwe!
I think people are quick to judge Vitali just because he's never been knocked down they think he can take anything.
When I compared Vitali to Holyfield the purpose of that was "At what point do you say, if I keep fighting with this injury, will it cost me my career?" ...Holyfield screwed his shoulder up, in the first round vs Chris Byrd and he ended up going the distance and you could say because of this he lost his next 2 fights, one by stoppage to JAMES TONEY!
If you want to see fighters get maimed or seriously injured then fine but some guys do think long term and live to fight another day. Vitali stood in there vs Lewis with a sliced up face and even then people call him out for having the fight stopped when he had NOTHING to do with that stoppage other than being cut.
You are all too hard on Vitali's 2 losses. I think he should stay retired but hell if he decides to fight again, I see no reason he couldn't compete with Sam Peter if not totally whip his ass
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Damn good post!!!!
Wow... there seem to be alot of people working to take this post off track, but even more keeping it focused.
Here's my two...
VK has been out for years, and it would be suicide to come back after injury and long layoff to fight a powerful, agressive fighter like Peter. Could he win? Yes, but it is a rusty puncher's chance. You just won't see the crisp straight shots that he used to launch.
On the side notes, just type in "steroids, long-term side effects" on a g**gle search and you will see that what he is going through is exactly that--a breakdown from consistent steroid use. It doesn't have to be lifelong use, but it is way more than once. Whether it caused the deterioration, or it was hiding old injuries is irrelevant. Once he stops using, the truth comes out. Let's also remember that extremely tall people do tend to have joint and bone problems as they get older.
With all of that said, I really don't ever want to see him fight again.
Peter needs to remember that he actually knows how to box a little now. Everytime he did it against Maskaev, he was effective; when he got all 'savage caveman,' he put himself in trouble. Savage style will easily get him KO'd by any good boxer with a chin.