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And a belt wouldnt help in getting big fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
It would expose Kessler to an American audiance and make future fights with the Pavlik's, Taylor's, RJJ's more attractive and more probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleMundine makes oz. Kessler would make probably 1 to 1.5 million US fighting Mundine here. Green got 2 million. He was gettin 400,000 euros for Miranda. So tell me how Miranda's popularity benefits him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
I guess that depends. Do you consider Mundine's Belt under Joes belt a legitimate one? I don't. I see this as Kessler has faced Mundine before. There are no surprises, no wondering involved. Miranda is a wild card and a risky one at that. As talented as Kessler is, he has never fought anyone with Miranda's style before. Miranda is a risky guy to get into the ring with period!Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleAnd a belt wouldnt help in getting big fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwIt would expose Kessler to an American audiance and make future fights with the Pavlik's, Taylor's, RJJ's more attractive and more probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Kessler is taking the route opposite of what he has expressed he wanted. I refuse to make an excuse for his backing out of the fight. I think he would beat Miranda, but not 100% convinced he would. I think his Handlers think the same thing and backed out for that very same reason.
This has turned into a thread debating whether Kessler-Miranda or Kessler-Mundine would be the better fight. First I have to say that personally and given the current situation I'd much prefer to see Kessler against Miranda than in a rematch against Mundine. Hovewer the Mundine fight should be acceptable - and surely is acceptable for me.
[There is obvioulsy the chance that Kessler will fight neither - and that is the really bad option, where Kessler and Palle will come out of this mess looking like idiots. This cannot be discounted, but let's save this for other threads (in the future).]
BUT there is one thing about fighting Mundine I have not seen mentioned anywhere. Neither in International nor Danish press (Kessler has btw got a lot of bad stick in the Danish press in the last few days - people here (there) don't understand his withdrawal either), nor in various Danish or International forums.
Therefore I'm not actually sure my thinking makes sense, but I'll post it here anyway. People are free to comment it, and/or tell me I'm stupid... :)
It goes like this:
Calzaghe beats Hopkins. Calzaghe has The Ring belt in SMW and LHW. Destined to be a true 2 weight champion - and looking forward to not having to make the lighter weight - Calzaghe keeps the LHW belt and abandons the SMW belt. (Mind, if Palle and Kessler are even speculating this, they are hardcore gambling on other people to make the 'right' decisions)
According to The Ring's rules, the belt will then be awarded to the winner in a between no. 1 and no. 2 in the division.
Current no. 1 is Mikkel Kessler. Current no. 2 is... ANTHONY MUNDINE.
In other words: Beating Anthony Mundine might not only give Kessler a WBA title (likely to be awarded full title after Calzaghe vacates - the same way the title Kessler took off Siaca was recognized as 'full' after Ottke retired with the Super WBA title), but The Ring Super Middleweight crown as well. In that case Kessler will be pretty hard to avoid, even if Palle is a negotiator from hell.
Yeah, Caps lock button turns itself on a fair bit,Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Something wrong with your keyboard...?!? ;D
I would just buy a new one, but it's my work computer.
Seems like a pretty average contract really.
Really can't understand why Kessler didn't take this fight, someone like miranda is taylor made for him really. Still going to reserve judgement until his next fight is anounced.
The WBA "regular" title is absolute garbage, and it is a joke to even refer to it as a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Big up to Lance once again...
This is the "I am keeping the money in the organization going" Title. 'Regular' & 'Super' Champion... are they going to start handing out Silver and Bronze world belts also?
As for the contract... Honestly, the demands are not overbearing, but they are distinctly different from those that are made of a person who 'wants' to make the fight happen. This is much more than weighing options. Playing with the hope that they will say no is more like it.
To say yes, then to say no is the problem for me.
I felt the same way when WKlit strung Briggs along then fought Brock in a fight that was terribly boring until the KO.
I agree with you. I'll be one of the 1st to say it and I've said it in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance UppercutThe WBA "regular" title is absolute garbage, and it is a joke to even refer to it as a title.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
But hear me out what if Kess is really after a rematch with Joe?
Picking up the Regular title and trying to establish himself as a mandatory and or making the fight worth more.....
All I'm saying is Kess-Mundine or Kess-Miranda IMO are both as good of a fight as they can be.
OK this is how I see it all transpired. I will be creative and show you how my nutty mind works: ;D
Miranda: Bully
Kessler: Bullied
The School yard bully called out the new kid in his area. Claiming to want to fight him after school. The new kid, weary of this bully even though he can take care of himself and can fight, at first ignores the taunting and requests in the hope the bully would move on to someone else.
The Bully gets louder and more brazen, calling the kid a pussy and other names. The Kid and his friends finally agree to have the fight, but not on school grounds, and not anywhere near where the bully has friends. These conditions confused the bully, he just wanted to fight, so he agreed to all the conditions. The school became abuzz with the approaching fight, everyone was talking and excited.
The Bullied Kid, somewhat surprised that the bully agreed to all his conditions, was still willing, but his friends advised him that the Bully is totally nuts and unpredictable. The bullied kid then slipped out the back door of the school and started running home.
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Originally Posted by eagle
The reason is according to team palle
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']When this fight was trying to be put together for rival network Showtime, Margules sent out press release after press release accusing the Kessler team of being dirty. dishonest and scared of fighting the twice-beaten Miranda. The press releases compared Kessler to a pussycat and accused the man whose only loss in 40 pro bouts was to undefeated legend Joe Calzaghe of wishing to stay in "a cocoon" in his native Denmark. That conveniently ignored the fact that Kessler's first title was in Australia against Tony Mundine and that he willingly went to Wales to fight Calzaghe in front of 50,000 partisan fans. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"We called Miranda's bluff," Kessler matchmaker Mogens Palle said Monday night. "We lobbied for Miranda to move up from the Number 6 contender spot to Number 2 so that we could satisfy HBO with a title bout. We were willing to fight Miranda at the Seminole Warriors' own hotel-casino and arena in a non-title, over the weight 10-rounder or a 12-round WBA title bout. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"All the while Margules was pumping out demeaning and 100 percent false press releases about us and about Kessler being this meek, little kitten afraid to get into the ring with the big, bad Panther. Never in my wildest dreams did we think that Margules would fold like a cheap umbrella in a windstorm. When we agreed to come to his arena with four neutral, WBA officials and even got clearance on that from the Florida commission, I thought this fight was ready to be signed. So did the HBO people." [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Margules gave the HBO executives the news of Miranda's pullout about 3 pm, EDT. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"I am satsified that the HBO folks know that I wanted to fight Miranda, title or non title, on their air June 21. I am in training and I hope that HBO can find someone who is willing to fight me on that specific date. I will fight anyone they put in front of me for the right price."[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Kessler's agent, Michael Marley, confirmed what Palle said. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"It was Mogens and Bettina (Palle, Kessler's manager) who made all the concessions here. It was the Palles who got Kessler accepted as the official WBA challenger. It was the Palles who lobbied for Miranda as a worthy umber 2 challenger behind only Mikkel in the WBA ratings. WBA President Gilberto Mendoza Jr. and his team did everything they could to make this highly-anticipated fight a reality. So did Lou DiBella. At the end, the bitter end, it was Margules who pulled the plug. I guess that's sadly appropriate since it was Leon who kept reneging on the terms and conditions for the Showtime deal. Now he's burned Showtime in one month and HBO in the next. I just wonder if Pantera and his co-managers know what's been going on." [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Finally, Marley asked what the public and media outcry would be if Miranda agreed to come to Denmark and Kessler bowed out. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"Everyone would be howling and rightfully so," Marley said. "But the shoe is on Miranda's foot and his promoter's foot. Kitten Kessler was ready to come to his house, to blow his house down and give Miranda a sound beating. But Margules just slammed the door in Kessler's face and HBO's face. I hope people keep these facts in mind when you read the next ridiculous press release about how everyone is so afraid of Miranda."[/FONT]
Its no great loss this fight not happening . I dont see it as competative at all .
Im thoroughly convinced Kessler would have destroyed Miranda as easily as Pavlik did. If not quicker. No doubt in my mind. Whatever reason it didnt happen, doesnt matter now.
do your self a favour, next time you post, don't try to be a funny cunt unless you know what you are talking about son. Kessler's "demands" were the norm and nothing more. the reason why 'case you werw wondering, i put his demands in qoutes were simply down too Dan Rafael being a fucking joke, he makes shit up at free will, thats a fucking fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
Sorry Mikkel, I do apologise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premedo your self a favour, next time you post, don't try to be a funny cunt unless you know what you are talking about son. Kessler's "demands" were the norm and nothing more. the reason why 'case you werw wondering, i put his demands in qoutes were simply down too Dan Rafael being a fucking joke, he makes shit up at free will, thats a fucking fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
Well we won't know now. Kessler has opted to fight Palle's "Huge Name" of Dimitri Sartisan, while Miranda is off to fight Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
People can knock Miranda all they want, at least he is out there looking for good fights.
The anti Miranda retoric that jangeorg quoted by Michael Marley, Kessler's American Agent, is exactly that, spin to save face. Miranda in his latest interview even said he still wants to fight Kessler and after the Abraham fight he would like to see it happen.
Miranda might not be a world beater, but he is willing to take risks. He deserves kudos for that alone.