Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Cotto was at 140 vs Malinaggi and fought a round then took a round off, he's a lot more comfortable at 147 as you can see. Judah was moving away from Cotto the whole time and Miguel had to stalk him down. N'Dou has never been stopped, and neither has Shane Mosley.


Margarito COULD stay away however Tony doesn't fight like that he has to brawl and vs Cotto it's suicide, it has been for every guy who has fought Cotto.


And even when Cotto DOESN'T stop someone he beats the CRAP out of them, breaking bones...look at their faces hell look at Cotto-Branco he stopped him on a punch to the freaking shoulder!!!

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Mosley was stopped by Vernon Forest. However NDOU hasn't been stopped, but to my knowledge hasn't foughten any big punchers except Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto will bust Tony up,but I think Tony will be returning the fire, especially in the form of uppercuts. And Margarito has never been stopped either and his whole career has been at welterweight. I still don't think Paul Williams beating Margarito was a fluke... Paul's footwork early didn't allow Tony to get off to a quick start, and Margarito is so limited athletically I think great athletes like COtto and Mayweather could avoid a lot of his punches, and counter where nobody else could.

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Mosley was dropped x2 by Forrest but he wasn't stopped he has never ever been stopped.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Your wrong on all accounts. First of all Oscar did try to punish Floyd, he isn't a dirty fighter, but he was trying to get Floyd on the ropes and do everything he could to rough Mayweather up. As for nobody ever really testing Mayweather, have you seen more than like his last 4 fights? Here are the guys who tested him, or tried to

Demarcus Corley
Emmanuel Burton(watch this fight before you even start to talk)
Corrales tried to, but Mayweather movement was too good for him, and could be for COtto as well.
Castillo x 2
Victoriano Sosa
Jesus Chavez
Ricky Hatton(he was trying to rough Mayweather up on the inside, and he wasn't able to do that at all)

All of these guys tried to fight a tough fight with Mayweather and all of them failed. Castillo got away with murder in terms of punching and holding in Mayweather-Castillo I and thats where a lot of his punches in punchstat were given to him, but he still lost that fight by a round, and the second fight by 4 or 5 rounds.

Oscar didn't really Mayweather even close to a lot of these fights that had Mayweather bleeding from the nose, and an eye, and he, FLoyd, never folded once. Also when Mayweather broke his hand against Hernandez he finished the fight even though he severly broke his left hand.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Mosley has NEVER been stopped...he's been knocked down but NEVER stopped....you had best check your facts before you post them.


You don't uppercut a guy who throws hooks like Cotto without leaving yourself wide damn open.

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YOur right about the Mosley thing, my bad, but I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before, everything about Cotto's style from where he holds his hands and his head to the hooks that he throws sets him up for uppercuts. Margarito being so much taller has the perfect leverage to get off those powerful uppercuts in close or when Cotto comes in, and an uppercut thrown properly gets there before a hook, and if you throw it properly does more damage because it actually snaps the head more than any other punch which means it rattles the brain more than any other punch, but along the way its good for busting up mouths which Cotto has had problems with, and breaking noses. If Cotto's nose is broken and he's bleeding inside his lip he is in deep shit.

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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Hey bro.....i think this guy owe you a real REP man......;D

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Everything about this match intrigues me. I know Cotto can beat Tony but it wont be easy. It will be a war from start to finish and neither fighter is going to go out like a punk bitch. I just know that Cotto has more tools and will use them all to take Tony's belt. This will set up another match against Quintana and Cotto will have three trinkets and then we call out Floyd Bedwetter Jr., in which Floyd will retire and vacate the belt and then JT Rock will run around saying that Cotto never beat any legitimate fighter who had this belt or that belt. ;D Cotto unifies and then later dumps the belts to avoid paying sanctioning fees and holds onto either the WBO or the WBA which he is fond of most since the WBC belt has been tainted by RING and Floyd Bedwetter Jr.

Floyd will retire and will be found taking showers with the big show and Triple H on WWE ;D All of Floyd's fans will abandon boxing to watch Floyd play make believe and then they will tell the world wrestling is real a la Majesty.

...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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Not the way he can punch....those guys in MMA are bigger douchebags and drama queens than anyone in boxing INCLUDING Floyd Mayweather

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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No doubt. Wetsy-betsy all ready has the whole bend over at the waist thing down to a tee.....frontaly and from the rear :-X:-X

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...wasn't he pondering a move to MMA??? If he gets a tribal tatoo then we all know what he's going to do ;D

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Hell, Cintron already has a tribal tat and a wrestling background; hope he takes his a## over there to MMA{though I love MMA}. He can get owned over there to:D

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Not the way he can punch....those guys in MMA are bigger douchebags and drama queens than anyone in boxing INCLUDING Floyd Mayweather

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Yeah, there are some dumbells in the UFC and other organizations; but there are some bad asses as well. Cintron could be a threat depending on how deep his ground game goes, and he will always have a punchers chance. I can think of a few that would break him though. Obviously you're not a fan of MMA:D

...no I am not a fan, I think all the guys who do MMA are assholes and they have Mommy issues...hence the tough guy act, the tatoos, and the adolescent attitudes.


Take a good hard look at Matt Hughes and tell me he's not a total douchebag.

people are forgetting that cintron is TERRIBLE ;)

He's not "terrible" he's just not on Margarito's level is all. The guy can win SOME fights vs good opponents at welterweight.

I for one would be VERY interested in a Cintron-Quintana match or a Cintron-Collazo match

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people are forgetting that cintron is TERRIBLE ;)

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Is TERRIBLE , but i think no more in WW Butcher.....:cool:

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