Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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Tony is a Journeyman, Tony is not elite, Tony is a club fighter, Tony does not have that good of a jaw, Tony will lose to anyone with a pulse, Tony has bad hair...:blahbla::blahbla::blahbla::blahbla::blahbl a::blahbla::blahbla::blahbla::blahbla::blahbla::bl ahbla::blahbla:...Anything to discredit Tony....Well here is what I say about it all....:flush:
He went 8 yrs without a loss...He has never been knockedout/TKO'd etc...A headbutt in the second Santos fight is as close as he came....
He has beaten big punchers, owend a guy named Cintron many people were very very very high on even before the first fight, Nearly turned Lujan into a one eared circus freak, he has held two versions of the WW title, the first half of the Clottey fight gets grossly over exaggerated (I think someone said he was being beaten half to death or something close to the effect) and the Williams fight was his fault for starting so slowly...that is a FACT not opinion...Williams did not beat Tony that night Tony beat Tony!!!!
Yet no one wants to give him respect? I don't get it?...I mean you don't have to be a fan of the guy but fuck man people simply are purly just not giving him his due on anything...It is just out of pure dislike or out of what people here like to call "Being a Hater"....Talk all the trash you want but you can not take away what the man has accomplished...
Danng G is giving Judah more respect:o....IMO that tells me he has doubts about Cotto walking over Tony like he is trying to make everyone believe...
You don't have to like the man but you can not deny what he has accomplished...plain and simple....
Is he the best out there?...I won't say that and I am a big Margarito fan...I will say though he could beat anyone on any given night and it would not be an upset..Just my opp:-\
Tony's got everything that makes boxing great, he's a fighter with grit, determination, fighting spirit and a blatant refusal to surrender which borders on scary.
He's a true Warrior Daxx, I acknowledge that.
I respect him and if I ever turn out to be half the boxer he is I'd hold my head uphigh in pride.
But objectively, he's not the best. The grittiest? Yes. But the best no.
He has had and will have succeses, like Barrera, he will eke his own niche through sheer determination and abrasion.
Many will discredit him however as he is not supremely skilled, he's not a huge puncher, he's not perfect defensively and he's not laser fast. He's just a guy who toughs it out. So respect to him, but he won't be a favourite because of this.
Makes me wonder why Gatti was so popular sometimes
can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Obviously Cotto my friend , i dont say it because im ones of his Fans , is because stadistically is named by the experts.......I didnt see all the fights of Margarito , but i never seen an opponents of him that been disfigurated like Cotto did to the most of his opponent.....Can you?.............
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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Macho
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Tony's got everything that makes boxing great, he's a fighter with grit, determination, fighting spirit and a blatant refusal to surrender which borders on scary.
He's a true Warrior Daxx, I acknowledge that.
I respect him and if I ever turn out to be half the boxer he is I'd hold my head uphigh in pride.
But objectively, he's not the best. The grittiest? Yes. But the best no.
He has had and will have succeses, like Barrera, he will eke his own niche through sheer determination and abrasion.
Many will discredit him however as he is not supremely skilled, he's not a huge puncher, he's not perfect defensively and he's not laser fast. He's just a guy who toughs it out. So respect to him, but he won't be a favourite because of this.
Makes me wonder why Gatti was so popular sometimes
can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Obviously Cotto my friend , i dont say it because im ones of his Fans , is because stadistically is named by the experts.......I didnt see all the fights of Margarito , but i never seen an opponents of him that been disfigurated like Cotto did to the most of his opponent.....Can you?.............
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito013.jpg
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito014.jpg
Thats some pretty good work by Margarito, wouldnt you agree Macho?
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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JT Rock
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can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Obviously Cotto my friend , i dont say it because im ones of his Fans , is because stadistically is named by the experts.......I didnt see all the fights of Margarito , but i never seen an opponents of him that been disfigurated like Cotto did to the most of his opponent.....Can you?.............
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito013.jpg
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito014.jpg
Thats some pretty good work by Margarito, wouldnt you agree Macho?
that aint cosmetic surgery...
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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JT Rock
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can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Obviously Cotto my friend , i dont say it because im ones of his Fans , is because stadistically is named by the experts.......I didnt see all the fights of Margarito , but i never seen an opponents of him that been disfigurated like Cotto did to the most of his opponent.....Can you?.............
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito013.jpg
http://www.boxing-pics.com/Antonio_M...rgarito014.jpg
Thats some pretty good work by Margarito, wouldnt you agree Macho?
That is the only one that you can show?..........;D
Because since i remember a little fast i can mention it the most recent disfigured by Cotto ;Judah , Quintana that were piss blood , Urkal that had to make a maxilofacial to his chin and piss blood too , the great Malignagy that took an Surgery in his chin and were piss blood too , Branco that got 2 ribs broke and his right arm and others......What do you think?
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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OnixAA
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can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Andre Berto, Kermit Cintron, Shane Mosley, they are 3 you could for certain argue hit harder than Margarito.
Berto would be the best argument for punching power, but I seriously think he is going to move out of WW he's too big and he's only 24...gonna get bigger. Mosley is naturally a light weight he is for sure not stronger than Marg. at this point in his career. Besides if he's even close to Marg's power Cotto is in for punishment because when Mosley fought Cotto and Cotto realized that he couldnt hurt Mosley thats when he started getting all slick on him.
As for Kermit, well damn is that even for real! Kerm is a big puncher and Marg. laughed at his punches! Yet Kerm got owned by Marg. after the 1st round.
I dont think those were the best picks, besides Berto but like I said he's moving up I'd almost bet on it.
Shane Mosley? Get real !!
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That is the only one that you can show?..........;D
Because since i remember a little fast i can mention it the most recent disfigured by Cotto ;Judah , Quintana that were piss blood , Urkal that had to make a maxilofacial to his chin and piss blood too , the great Malignagy that took an Surgery in his chin and were piss blood too , Branco that got 2 ribs broke and his right arm and others......What do you think?
Name me a heavy puncher with skill that Cotto has faced ?
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Well now i see that you are going to other direction , but im telling you i dont underestimate Margarito my friend , just im realist , im not the only that say this bro... all the experts say that Cotto is the most big hitter in this Div.....and i prefer to remember all this threads and then see what going happen after Cotto beat Margarito , i dont like speculating too much , just i like put some features of them and comparing for analyse , if i see that Cotto will lose completely im will be the first to say it , for sure , but this is different..........:cool:
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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That is the only one that you can show?..........;D
Because since i remember a little fast i can mention it the most recent disfigured by Cotto ;Judah , Quintana that were piss blood , Urkal that had to make a maxilofacial to his chin and piss blood too , the great Malignagy that took an Surgery in his chin and were piss blood too , Branco that got 2 ribs broke and his right arm and others......What do you think?
Date Opponent
Location
Result
04/12/08 Alphonso Gomez won 18 (KO 8) NO POWER !!!
11/10/07 Shane Mosley outside of his 2 ko's of a washed up Vargas last knockout
was in July of 2001 and he admitted to steroid use!
06/09/07 Zab Judah last Ko was in May of 2005 against Cosme Rivera ... lol
03/03/07 Oktay Urkal 38 (KO 12) NO POWER !!!
12/02/06 Carlos Quintana 25 (KO 19) 19 tin cans !!
06/10/06 Paulie Malignaggi (31) - (KO 9) NO POWER !!!
03/04/06 Gianluca Branco 40 (KO 21) 21 tin cans
09/24/05 Ricardo Torres 32 (KO 28) Gave Cotto a big scare, put Cotto on the
canvas. I Margaritos chin better in a battle.
Other notable threats ...lol N'dou, Corley, Pinto lol ....
Cotto is bad but he has yet to meet a bad ass who will take the fight to him and break him down. I like Magarito with Cotto in unchartered waters !!
Good record padding , but would like to see Cotto face Wlliams and Cintron and see how he fares rather that the mosquito stinging line up he has faced....
do not get me wron I think Cotto is real good but untested vs a skilled power puncher.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
Cotto can beat Marg for sure. If he picks his spots,uses the jab ALOT and throws to the body often to slow Tony down,he has a great chance. It's just Marg's length.His heavy handedness and reckless abandon can make it diffocult and will Cotto stick the gameplan once he is tagged? Fro Margarito,if h can use the jab alot, and get Cotto to fight his fight(which he's good at) he has a great chance.
I totally disagree with those that say "its easy,Cotto will outbox him".Marg can trap him on the ropes and Cotto has a tendancy to go to the ropes anyway. And Cotto will have to engage the TJ Tornado at some point.
Either way,I don't really mind who wins,it's going to be the fans who are the winners. As long as the fight is exciting,I'll be happy.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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OnixAA
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can you name 3 other fighters in the ww division, that are bigger punchers than Marg?
Andre Berto, Kermit Cintron, Shane Mosley, they are 3 you could for certain argue hit harder than Margarito.
Berto would be the best argument for punching power, but I seriously think he is going to move out of WW he's too big and he's only 24...gonna get bigger. Mosley is naturally a light weight he is for sure not stronger than Marg. at this point in his career. Besides if he's even close to Marg's power Cotto is in for punishment because when Mosley fought Cotto and Cotto realized that he couldnt hurt Mosley thats when he started getting all slick on him.
As for Kermit, well damn is that even for real! Kerm is a big puncher and Marg. laughed at his punches! Yet Kerm got owned by Marg. after the 1st round.
I dont think those were the best picks, besides Berto but like I said he's moving up I'd almost bet on it.
First off i love how you say that wern't the best choices, but can you name me any other Welterweights that you could debate that they hit harder than Margarito ?? and secondly just because Margarito beat Cintron doesn't mean Margarito is a bigger puncher, he beat Cintron by dishearten him, plus his work rate and granite chin. Not because he is a big puncher, Julian Jackson got stopped in 2 rounds by Mike McCallum, but does that make McCallum a bigger puncher ?? no it doesn't thats flawed logic.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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That is the only one that you can show?..........;D
Because since i remember a little fast i can mention it the most recent disfigured by Cotto ;Judah , Quintana that were piss blood , Urkal that had to make a maxilofacial to his chin and piss blood too , the great Malignagy that took an Surgery in his chin and were piss blood too , Branco that got 2 ribs broke and his right arm and others......What do you think?
Date Opponent
Location
Result
04/12/08 Alphonso Gomez won 18 (KO 8) NO POWER !!!
11/10/07 Shane Mosley outside of his 2 ko's of a washed up Vargas last knockout
was in July of 2001 and he admitted to steroid use!
06/09/07 Zab Judah last Ko was in May of 2005 against Cosme Rivera ... lol
03/03/07 Oktay Urkal 38 (KO 12) NO POWER !!!
12/02/06 Carlos Quintana 25 (KO 19) 19 tin cans !!
06/10/06 Paulie Malignaggi (31) - (KO 9) NO POWER !!!
03/04/06 Gianluca Branco 40 (KO 21) 21 tin cans
09/24/05 Ricardo Torres 32 (KO 28) Gave Cotto a big scare, put Cotto on the
canvas. I Margaritos chin better in a battle.
Other notable threats ...lol N'dou, Corley, Pinto lol ....
Cotto is bad but he has yet to meet a bad ass who will take the fight to him and break him down. I like Magarito with Cotto in unchartered waters !!
Good record padding , but would like to see Cotto face Wlliams and Cintron and see how he fares rather that the mosquito stinging line up he has faced....
do not get me wron I think Cotto is real good but untested vs a skilled power puncher.
I love how you don't give Ricardo Torres credit, lets remember he almost had 100 percent KO record when he fought Cotto. So your going to tell me he isn't a big puncher ?? sorry but thats pure hating there. You discredit all of Cotto's opponent's and when you get to Torres all you say is *He gave Cotto a big scare* but forget the fact that Torres had very high KO percentage at the time.
And while your at it why don't you go through Margarito's opposition and tell me how many big punchers he has fought except for Cintron ?? and plus Margarito has legitimately been on the canvas twice i believe. Where as Cotto was only ever down once and it wasn't legit, because he was pulled down.
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Cintron is the Julian Jackson of our era , only gets beat by the very best. WTF is Marg chin/head made of, and smiling back at Kermit, psycho.
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Cintron is the Julian Jackson of our era , only gets beat by the very best. WTF is Marg chin/head made of, and smiling back at Kermit, psycho.
No he is not he couldn't even floor Jesse Feliciano who has been stopped by light punchers like Mike Arnaoutis, Demetrius Hopkins. When Jackson hit someone with a flush punch they went to sleep simple as that.
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93% KO rate says he is a big hitter maybe not in JJ league but still up there, hardest hitting welter.
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Macho
That is the only one that you can show?..........;D
Because since i remember a little fast i can mention it the most recent disfigured by Cotto ;Judah , Quintana that were piss blood , Urkal that had to make a maxilofacial to his chin and piss blood too , the great Malignagy that took an Surgery in his chin and were piss blood too , Branco that got 2 ribs broke and his right arm and others......What do you think?
Date Opponent
Location
Result
04/12/08 Alphonso Gomez won 18 (KO 8) NO POWER !!!
11/10/07 Shane Mosley outside of his 2 ko's of a washed up Vargas last knockout
was in July of 2001 and he admitted to steroid use!
06/09/07 Zab Judah last Ko was in May of 2005 against Cosme Rivera ... lol
03/03/07 Oktay Urkal 38 (KO 12) NO POWER !!!
12/02/06 Carlos Quintana 25 (KO 19) 19 tin cans !!
06/10/06 Paulie Malignaggi (31) - (KO 9) NO POWER !!!
03/04/06 Gianluca Branco 40 (KO 21) 21 tin cans
09/24/05 Ricardo Torres 32 (KO 28) Gave Cotto a big scare, put Cotto on the
canvas. I Margaritos chin better in a battle.
Other notable threats ...lol N'dou, Corley, Pinto lol ....
Cotto is bad but he has yet to meet a bad ass who will take the fight to him and break him down. I like Magarito with Cotto in unchartered waters !!
Good record padding , but would like to see Cotto face Wlliams and Cintron and see how he fares rather that the mosquito stinging line up he has faced....
do not get me wron I think Cotto is real good but untested vs a skilled power puncher.
I love how you don't give Ricardo Torres credit, lets remember he almost had 100 percent KO record when he fought Cotto. So your going to tell me he isn't a big puncher ?? sorry but thats pure hating there. You discredit all of Cotto's opponent's and when you get to Torres all you say is *He gave Cotto a big scare* but forget the fact that Torres had very high KO percentage at the time.
And while your at it why don't you go through Margarito's opposition and tell me how many big punchers he has fought except for Cintron ?? and
plus Margarito has legitimately been on the canvas twice i believe. Where as Cotto was only ever down once and it wasn't legit, because he was pulled down.
Its not a fair point seeing Margarito turned Pro at 15 and he was fighting grown men...
