Anyone Want To Doubt Joe Calzaghe Again??

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

Wot? where did he win 6 rounds? wtf were you watching...?

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I can't remember the exact rounds but Hopkins for certain won the first 4 rounds IMO, he then won the 11th, and he also won the round where he stunned Calzaghe at the end of the round. You can easily have Hopkins winning 6 rounds.

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First of all no he didn't clearly win the first 4 rounds...The second was a draw at best..the fourth was definitely a Calzaghe round as also mentioned by all commentators as a turning round of the fight.

So a punch at the end that pushes Jc back wins a round? after having been taking combinations throughout it?

And noway did hopkins win the 11th..the guy was tiring all thru the later rounds...

He took 5 mins...i mean a full 5 mins faking a low blow...pathetic really

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first off, hopkins didn't take combinations throughout the round.. but joe WAS throwing combinations throughout the round.. They were all poorly thrown slapping punches that were lucky if they grazed hopkins shoulders.. The most significant punch of the round was the right from hopkins at the end of the round.. Whether or not it happened at the end of the round, or within the first 10 seconds, it was still the most significant punch BY FAR!! in that round.. It was Joe's fault for trying to steal a round in the last 5 seconds and opening up with slapping lefts and rights and he got caught with two hard shots.. Easy round to score if you ask me..

I had Hopkins winning the first 3 rounds without question, and then at the very least two more rounds after that.. i'd have to go back and watch again, but i definitely had 5-6 rounds for hopkins.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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Pacstraighleft,
I gotta say I think he beats RJJ soundly. Especially since RJJ fades out even worst then what Hopkins faded in their fight. So I'd favor Joe over RJJ.

vs. Pavliks.... The thing here for me is 2 things:
1. Can Joe take one of Pavliks straight rights?
2. Can Pavlik land his money shot on Joe?

I think if Pavlik uses his jab more to set up the right, instead of just firing the right hand with no set up jab I think he lands it. JT was able to box with Pavlik without getting hit with anything major.

I said before that I'd never doubt Pavlik again, more recently I said I'd never doubt Joe again. :-\ I got this one even and can't decide now but I will choose a side if the fight gets done.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE "STARR SYNDROME" SEEMS TO BE GOING AROUND AND HAS INFECTED SOME OF YOU. I mean what kind of prediction is this?:
"Pavlik by TKO" OR "Joe on points" :( :confused:

That's the easy way to predicting a fight.....
I mean in that case why not say I think either one wins it. :p

Then when the fight is over, some of you come here saying:
"Well I did say he'd win by points"

Yeah! well you also predicted a win for the other guy.... :(

I call this the 'Starr' syndrome cause she used to always do that. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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Pacstraighleft,
I gotta say I think he beats RJJ soundly. Especially since RJJ fades out even worst then what Hopkins faded in their fight. So I'd favor Joe over RJJ.

vs. Pavliks.... The thing here for me is 2 things:
1. Can Joe take one of Pavliks straight rights?
2. Can Pavlik land his money shot on Joe?

I think if Pavlik uses his jab more to set up the right, instead of just firing the right hand with no set up jab I think he lands it. JT was able to box with Pavlik without getting hit with anything major.

I said before that I'd never doubt Pavlik again, more recently I said I'd never doubt Joe again. :-\ I got this one even and can't decide now but I will choose a side if the fight gets done.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE "STARR SYNDROME" SEEMS TO BE GOING AROUND AND HAS INFECTED SOME OF YOU. I mean what kind of prediction is this?:
"Pavlik by TKO" OR "Joe on points" :( :confused:

That's the easy way to predicting a fight.....
I mean in that case why not say I think either one wins it. :p

Then when the fight is over, some of you come here saying:
"Well I did say he'd win by points"

Yeah! well you also predicted a win for the other guy.... :(

I call this the 'Starr' syndrome cause she used to always do that. ;)

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gotta agree with your points about RJJ mick.. RJJ likes to take breaks, and i don't think he'll be able to do with with joe's workrate.. Bhop had the better chance at beating joe with his dirty, hold and grab technique.. Unless RJJ scores a KO, i don't see him beating Joe..

As far as Pavlik goes, this is Joe's most dangerous fight i believe.. I like to compare Pavlik, in the respect of fighting Calzaghe, with Kessler.. They're both fighters who stand right in front of you, and come towards you.. Lacy was the same way.. We've seen Joe beat both Kessler and Lacy decisively.. but the difference as far as Pavlik is concered, is his own workrate.. Pavlik DOES NOT stop, so Joe would have to be in his best shape going into this fight.. Pavlik is a machine, and after seeing him get knocked around with about 4 flush shots from Taylor, getting up before the ref counted to two, and coming back to win the fight by KO then i don't know what or who will stop him..

To answer your questions.. could joe take a straight right from Pavlik? i'd say it depends on the round.. if it's past the 6th round and pavlik lands flush FORGET IT, Joe's done.. this is why i think it's the most dangerous fight for Joe.. it all comes down to a "punchers chance".. Not that Pavlik isn't a superb fighter, but Joe is very elusive and Pavlik will need a little while to figure him out to land any big shots.. This is the fight i want to see..

'Twas always thus in boxing ...... we build up a big fight, then think of excuses when the outcome does not match our preconception, then its the next big fight that counts.

Fighters are best appreciated after they retire.

We are saying the same things about Pvlik that we all said about lacy and Kessler - he's a machine, he hits too hard, Calzaghe has never faced anyone like this etc etc.

Pavlik can be outboxed and he can be hit. I think Calzaghe is too slick to me outboxed these days, and he has shown he has a very good chin. Calzaghe can adapt in the middle of a fight and he has not really shown any huge weaknesses - he is a pretty complete fighter compared to many around at the moment. I think Pavlik can be predictable and robotic and he is not sneaky enough to win this one (unless he strikes it lucky with a big bomb at some point)

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

I take nothing from Joe but we all seen how quickly when asked about Pavlik or Jones he jumped to RJJ. He got a big record but Lacy is no legend Hopkins may be but thats just it He's ancient as is RJJ. Step up and fight the best America really has to offer which is Pavlik. Joe and Enzio will be watching closely when pavlik destroys his buddy Lockett. If that punch from Hopkins put him down then wowww he'll end up looking like glass joe from tyson's punchout when Kelly touches him.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has limitations, as does every fight, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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Well put Dean.. Taylor fought a COMPLETELY different fight the second time they met.. He was 100% more defensive, so to say that Pavlik won't have power at 168 is a joke..

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

Kind of like the Ray Lenord and Hagler fight.......I thought the other guy won. Hopkins hurt him a few times. Hopkins put him on his ass. If I could just work on a great defense maybe I too can flail my arms every where and get knocked down then hurt a few times and still win.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICB

Im not a big fan of either man and i wern't really picking either man to win i was 50-50 on the fight. Hopkins landed the cleaner better blows and won the first 4 rounds clearly IMO and plus lets not forget the 10-8 round, then he won another 2 rounds making it 114-113 to Hopkins.

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No way Hopkins was even close to winning that. I distinctly remember you picking Hopkins by decision right before the fight too. :rolleyes:;D

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This is not the first time he goes back on his picks. I don't know why you're surprised. I am glad you called him out on it though.

ICB just believes what he hears people say. His posts hold no weight.

ICB A.K.A. "The Quoter"

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You just owned yourself because Miles agreed with me in the other thread, I said "Hopkins by controversial decision" thats exactly word for word what i said and if you don't believe me, go onto Hopkins vs Calzaghe prediction thread. Meaning that i thought Calzaghe would win 7-5 or etc, but i didn't believe he would get the decision in USA thats why i said "Hopkins by controversial decision" . You already avoided my replies in your ridiculous thread you made yesterday, and for 100 percent your avoid this reply as well because your have no answer like always.

Jones' pre fight comments...

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

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You are absolutely devoid of information if you think you can compare Lacy to Pavlik. LET ME SET THIS STRAIGHT...

Lacy got a quick shot at the title after being favored by major networks. He got ahead quickly with a crude style that favored brutal KO's. He was frustrated many times in fights, and has had more than one stopped prematurely in his favor (i.e. S. Vanderpool). He was destined to be exposed--sooner than later.

Pavlik has been on the GRINDER, fighting everyone who came his way. He has polished his style on the faces of his opponents, now getting 80+ punches a round and just got his first decision in FOUR YEARS. Every fighter he faces is a different person after they meet--broken. Tell me I am lying.

Pavlik v. Calzaghe is the enthusiasts' wet dream, but RJJ is the only fight for JC right now. He deserves the huge money it will generate

vs. Tarver-- you're kidding, right?
vs. Chad Dawson--overwhelmed by the vet
vs. Glen Johnson--grueling, but similar to fight v. Bika
vs. Taylor--WHY??? For $$$ only

that puts him to 50-0, and he can retire a true #1 P4P legend!

:)