Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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truth32
i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go
Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .
Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .
Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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GAME
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Originally Posted by
truth32
i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go
Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .
Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .
how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance
Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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Originally Posted by
truth32
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Originally Posted by
GAME
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Originally Posted by
truth32
i got pavlik by tko or ko cal was letting hopkins have it just didnt hit hard enough pavlik does. and lets just put a spin on it where used to hopkins being the puncher at his old age i dont see him being the puncher and in his last fight he did nothing at all pavlik young fresh and hungry is going to do what he always does come forword and let his hands go
Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .
Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .
how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance
But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.
Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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Originally Posted by
southakron314
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Originally Posted by
truth32
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Originally Posted by
GAME
Hops power may be uner rated cuz I think Joe has a more reliable chin than Pav and he was dopwn in the opener . Also Joe has a superb boxing brain and it was a very close fight he shared with Hopkins. Pavlik comes in , in straight lines and it may be easier for Hopkins to use his experience in there .
Pav may be underestimating what Hop has left . If he expects this to be a quick win and to look good then I think he is wrong . Its going 12 and its gonna be ugly .
how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance
But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.
What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?
and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.
Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.
I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)
Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.
Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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Pugilistic
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Originally Posted by
southakron314
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Originally Posted by
truth32
how was the cal vs hopkins fight close i saw it one way the whole fight and i figured thats how it would go to much speed for hopkins b hop put cal down because he was off blance not because of power and like i said this time pavlik is the presure fighter with great range he comes in put keeps his distance
But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.
What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?
and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.
Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.
I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)
Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.
I agree with this, and I don't think the Hopkins fight is gonna help or prove anything with PAvlik.
What I'd like to see is Pavlik fight Abrahams and if he impresses then I'd give him a better chance against Calzaghe
Re: ESPN says Pavlik - Hopkins for October 18th. who wins
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plopeater
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Pugilistic
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southakron314
But wait a minute you Calzaghe lackies. You say Calzaghe is never off balance he has the best foot work in the game. Better than Mayweather you guys think . I think you all are wrong. Calzaghe went down from a conter right that stunned Joe and messed his equaliberum up.
Pavlik murders Calzaghe inside of 9.
What does Pavlik bring that Calzaghe hasn't faced in Kessler ?
and include the fact that he is slow and predictable.
Pavlik might have good power but the reason calzaghe has been undefeated so long is because of his granite chin.
I like the guy but his resume is probably the most overated today. wins over Miranda and Taylor. Thats it. ;)
Calzaghe beats Pavlik with his superior footwork and handspeed, and counters the predictable pavlik coming in. Pavliks right hand may cause calzaghe problems and might even put him down but Calzaghe will adjust like he did with Kessler and win a UD.
I agree with this, and I don't think the Hopkins fight is gonna help or prove anything with PAvlik.
What I'd like to see is Pavlik fight Abrahams and if he impresses then I'd give him a better chance against Calzaghe
I agree too. Pavlik is a power puncher but lets not overlook that he is rather plodding at times and Jermain did well in the rematch. Joe has an amazing ability to adjust during a fight so even if his machismo gets the better of him and he decides to match Pav punch for punch , the time will come where he decides to just get the win and thats where he turns it on . Pav hasnt got a plan b and will keep on doing the same thing . Joe however just as he did vs Kess and Hopkins will see whats working , find the answers and be able to outsmart Pavlik in every aspect of the game with his experience, boxing skill and speed.
Hopkins was a ring genuis but in round 4 you clearly see Joe work him out, instead of coming in with his flurries trying to look good, Joe would step in behind his right jab , get out of range again, force Hopkins to work then counter him 5-1 . He did it on volume and ring smarts . I consider Hopkins to be a much smarter fighter than Pavlik so If Joe can out wit him then Pav would be a walk in the park in comparrisson . I also think Hop is holding the aces vs Pavlik . Its just pace and strength of Pav down the stretch that he has got be concerned about .
