Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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Didn't you (and your present sig) say the same thing about 2008?
Wasn't the same crap coming out of his mouth in 2007, 2006?
IMO he's happy with his comp so far as it can leave him happy in coocoo land where the reality of his limitations hasn't hit him yet. He's a decent fighter, but is not genuine world class.
but if you followed carl froch you would realise that Dennis Inkin pulled out, TWICE ! and there was a lot of waiting for who was going to fight him for the vacant belt. It was either Jermain Taylor or Jean Pascal and it took a while for the WBC to sort that out. Either way, hes got the shot and he has been delayed but its not his fault.
That's his excuse for 2008, which is fair enough, but he's talking crap for a long time and his opposition simply doesn't warrant it.
Hopefully we'll find out soon enough, if he's remotely world class he should batter Pascal, so with a belt he may be able to persuade better opposition to the table. I think Kessler could be a possibility for a unification, but he'll have trouble persuading Taylor to come over, especially for a challengers purse.
Well the WBC's top 10 is filled with exciting fighters so if carl does win he will be more than likely to fight a good next fighter as well. But Kessler-Froch WILL happen if they both keep winning.
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
Ross obviously has issues with the cobra, i mean what other human being would trawl teh internet trashing froch's name at every opportunity. I mean i remember him writing how Robin Reid had 12 weeks to prepare for Froch and that he would end the Cobra's career. . that he had a dodgy knee and overrated this and an overrated that..
Maybe he lives in the same caravan park as Reid and bet some moody jewlery and a dog on the Reid KO win and now resents the cobra for it.
Are we getting warm Ross ? ;)
Pascal will start brightly and then will be stopped inside 8 rounds ...RSF8.
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Yes I have to admit, I am a fan of Reid, which is why I didnt like Calzaghe, I also had a disdain for his win over Eubank, as I was a fan of his also.
Calzaghe, I thought, was an arrogant twaat with no substance but he went on to prove me wrong and gain my respect, especially with the performance over Kessler, no one else will repeat that druybbing over Mikkel, at 35 years of age and reigning as longa s he had I thought Joe may be ripe for the picking but he looked as good as ever, showing every aspect of his game, the man is something special, to keep the performances up, I dont think hes unbeatable but he is bloody hard to beat, he doesnt fight as reckless as he did, so in that respect he has slowed but I see him at least giving trouble if not beating all the great super middles of the Nineties.
In fact as they were so fond of avoiding each other, id say they wouldnt want to go anywhere near him.
Back on track, Carl is 31 and yet to face a world ranked opponent, hes missed the boat here, the names I have already mentioned are leagues above him, they had faith in their ability and took their chances, Reid against Nardiello in his home country Italy which is notorious for bad decisions, Calzaghe was supposed to fight Collins for his chance but Eubank stepped in with a weeks notice and Joe still took it, both Eubank and Calzaghe took chances here.
Froch was offered a fight against Joe and used any excuse he could to pussy out, no matter what anyone says, he was offered the fight and he declined, what ever conditions doesnt matter, it was his big chance to get in the spotlight and do what he was promossing everyone for years "smoke Calzaghes boots" but he had no faith in his ability.
Now he is stepping up, in to his thirties, he may have left it too long, or mey well get away with this one seeing as his opponent is also untested and hasnt looked great.
Kessler would embarrass Froch, Joe made him run and cry in a corner so went for Kessler instead, that is a fighter, everyone is passing Froch by because he is unsure of himself, he gives all the big talk but at the end of the day he turned down a genuine offer to fight the best supermiddle in the world for the past 11 years on prime time tv:rolleyes:
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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But in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!
I think it's more of you overrating him cuz he's a UK fighter. Which is nothing new. It wasn't to long ago that a certain poster here, who I ain't going to name (Leftylee) who swore up and down Paul Shiit (Smith) was a future champion. I think it's become pretty clear that Shiit will never be a champion. Look at all the undeserved hype A Mere Con got. Con still ain't found all his teeth yet. Your doing the same thing with Fraud. You make him seem like he's some kind of wrecking machine with little to no faults. When in reality is he's far from a wrecking machine. And he has a ton of faults. You either don't know how to pick up on them. Are blinded by your lust for him. Or your just straight ignoring them for whatever reasons. Bottom line is Fraud, like Shiit and Con has done nothing in his career. As soon as he faces a top fighter he will get knocked out. And no Pascal is not a type fighter.
Your comparing three fighters as if they are all bound to meet the same fate? That doesnt make sense at all.
Carl Froch hasnt done anything to suggest hes a fraud, hes won every fight in mostly knockout fashion and NEVER been knocked down. Hes shown he can also take a dig, which is a bit more than Amir Khan can do! Paul Smith just simply underestimated the fighter and he paid the price for it. He wasnt up for the fight be I can guarentee 9 times out 10 Paul would have beaten him.
Carl is my favourite fighter, im not not blinded, i just tend to support him because thats what people do who follow their fighter. Either way, all question are going to be answered in the next year because I can see Carl getting a fight with Mikkel Kessler, Librando Andrade, Lucian Bute or maybe even Kelly Pavlik. The more elite fighters at 168. If he does get sparked out, i wont be a little bitch and make up all of the excuses under the sun. Im not like that at all, all im saying is Carl Froch has the potential to be a great fighter and you should recognise that.
Fraud hasn't done anything to suggest he's the real thing either. And yes I expect the same fate that happened to Con and Shiit to happen to Fraud. And I don't want to hear all these lame ass excuses about Paul Shiit. The man is a professional fighter. He didn't lose cuz he underestimated his opponent. He lost cuz he's not the fighter he was being hyped up to be. He's average on his best day.
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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I think it's more of you overrating him cuz he's a UK fighter. Which is nothing new. It wasn't to long ago that a certain poster here, who I ain't going to name (Leftylee) who swore up and down Paul Shiit (Smith) was a future champion. I think it's become pretty clear that Shiit will never be a champion. Look at all the undeserved hype A Mere Con got. Con still ain't found all his teeth yet. Your doing the same thing with Fraud. You make him seem like he's some kind of wrecking machine with little to no faults. When in reality is he's far from a wrecking machine. And he has a ton of faults. You either don't know how to pick up on them. Are blinded by your lust for him. Or your just straight ignoring them for whatever reasons. Bottom line is Fraud, like Shiit and Con has done nothing in his career. As soon as he faces a top fighter he will get knocked out. And no Pascal is not a type fighter.
Your comparing three fighters as if they are all bound to meet the same fate? That doesnt make sense at all.
Carl Froch hasnt done anything to suggest hes a fraud, hes won every fight in mostly knockout fashion and NEVER been knocked down. Hes shown he can also take a dig, which is a bit more than Amir Khan can do! Paul Smith just simply underestimated the fighter and he paid the price for it. He wasnt up for the fight be I can guarentee 9 times out 10 Paul would have beaten him.
Carl is my favourite fighter, im not not blinded, i just tend to support him because thats what people do who follow their fighter. Either way, all question are going to be answered in the next year because I can see Carl getting a fight with Mikkel Kessler, Librando Andrade, Lucian Bute or maybe even Kelly Pavlik. The more elite fighters at 168. If he does get sparked out, i wont be a little bitch and make up all of the excuses under the sun. Im not like that at all, all im saying is Carl Froch has the potential to be a great fighter and you should recognise that.
Fraud hasn't done anything to suggest he's the real thing either. And yes I expect the same fate that happened to Con and Shiit to happen to Fraud. And I don't want to hear all these lame ass excuses about Paul Shiit. The man is a professional fighter. He didn't lose cuz he underestimated his opponent. He lost cuz he's not the fighter he was being hyped up to be. He's average on his best day.
But hes been working towards the shot at the title. Hes not ducking anybody and i cant see why he is a fraud though? hes shown hes way above the class hes been fighting and he will knock out pascal and prove that!
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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Hes not ducking anybody and i cant see why he is a fraud though?
Should have gone to specsavers
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
Pascal just isn't that good. I haven't seen much of Froch, but based on his reputation and what I've seen of Pascal, he should take this.
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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Your comparing three fighters as if they are all bound to meet the same fate? That doesnt make sense at all. Carl Froch hasnt done anything to suggest hes a fraud, hes won every fight in mostly knockout fashion and NEVER been knocked down. Hes shown he can also take a dig, which is a bit more than Amir Khan can do! Paul Smith just simply underestimated the fighter and he paid the price for it. He wasnt up for the fight be I can guarentee 9 times out 10 Paul would have beaten him.
Carl is my favourite fighter, im not not blinded, i just tend to support him because thats what people do who follow their fighter. Either way, all question are going to be answered in the next year because I can see Carl getting a fight with Mikkel Kessler, Librando Andrade, Lucian Bute or maybe even Kelly Pavlik. The more elite fighters at 168. If he does get sparked out, i wont be a little bitch and make up all of the excuses under the sun. Im not like that at all, all im saying is Carl Froch has the potential to be a great fighter and you should recognise that.
Fraud hasn't done anything to suggest he's the real thing either. And yes I expect the same fate that happened to Con and Shiit to happen to Fraud. And I don't want to hear all these lame ass excuses about Paul Shiit. The man is a professional fighter. He didn't lose cuz he underestimated his opponent. He lost cuz he's not the fighter he was being hyped up to be. He's average on his best day.
But hes been working towards the shot at the title. Hes not ducking anybody and i cant see why he is a fraud though?
hes shown hes way above the class hes been fighting and he will knock out pascal and prove that!
Great. He's shown he's above the garbage D class opposition. Good to see your easily impressed.
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
"I would have loved to fight Calzaghe in July and could have been ready. I could have gone back into training next week, but I don't think Calzaghe and his team wanted to risk sampling the power of my right uppercut!
"His promoter made an offer to me that I felt was derisory. They also turned down a very generous offer of £1.6 million from my promoter Mick Hennessy, which valued the fight at twice their amount if you work on the standard terms of the split for a purse bid.
FROCH HAS SURGERY | Sporting Life - Boxing News | Joe Calzaghe, Amir Khan, Ricky Hatton, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto.
If Warren had made an offer that paid Froch nothing to fight Calzaghe, that still wouldn't have been "derisory." Instead he got offered a couple of hundred thousand and turned it down. If Froch actually believes he's as good as he claims he is, he would have got in the ring, KO'd Calzaghe and become an overnight superstar with million pound purses for all his subsequent fights. And it's irrelevant if Warren had options afterwards either. Having two promoters split the promoter's share of future fights or having one guy get it all is irrelevant to Froch. If Froch had taken the fight and beaten Calzaghe he'd have secured his future in one fight.
A real fighter would have snapped Warren's hand off. Calzaghe netted less than £50 000 for the Eubank fight and Eubank made less again for his chance against Benn. Real fighters take their opportunity and use it to propel them to stardom. Froch bottled it.
And the £1.6 million offer is just dissembling, I'm sure you know why. Basically just a load of bs to cover up him bottling his big opportunity. Froch knows what he's capable of and that's why he didn't take the fight.
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I just hope that if Froch wins the belt (I think he will) then he will get some big defences and not just fight pish opponents.
He really needs to step up his class of opponenets or stop talking shit about how he'sthe best
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Fraud hasn't done anything to suggest he's the real thing either. And yes I expect the same fate that happened to Con and Shiit to happen to Fraud. And I don't want to hear all these lame ass excuses about Paul Shiit. The man is a professional fighter. He didn't lose cuz he underestimated his opponent. He lost cuz he's not the fighter he was being hyped up to be. He's average on his best day.
But hes been working towards the shot at the title. Hes not ducking anybody and i cant see why he is a fraud though?
hes shown hes way above the class hes been fighting and he will knock out pascal and prove that!
Great. He's shown he's above the garbage D class opposition. Good to see your easily impressed.
I know i was impressed and thats why im going to keep following him. I believe we still have yet to see the best out of Carl Froch and there are going to be some great match ups coming up! Also if you look at any of the top 10 at 168 most of their record was built on lower tier fighters and worked their to the title in order to fight the better quality fighters. It doesnt mean your a shit fighter just because you have not fought the best from the start of your career. boxing is a learning process and Carl has learned that well in the last few years, but hes ready for this step up now. So I dont actually see what your problem is. Kessler didnt step it up untill Mundine maybe, so it shows that fighters need a basis to grow on rarther than fighting the best from an early age and getting beaten. It can effect fighters, ie Junior Witter, Rey Bautsista and im going to guess Amir Khan.
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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But hes been working towards the shot at the title. Hes not ducking anybody and i cant see why he is a fraud though? hes shown hes way above the class hes been fighting and he will knock out pascal and prove that!
Great. He's shown he's above the garbage D class opposition. Good to see your easily impressed.
I know i was impressed and thats why im going to keep following him. I believe we still have yet to see the best out of Carl Froch and there are going to be some great match ups coming up! Also if you look at any of the top 10 at 168 most of their record was built on lower tier fighters and worked their to the title in order to fight the better quality fighters. It doesnt mean your a shit fighter just because you have not fought the best from the start of your career. boxing is a learning process and Carl has learned that well in the last few years, but hes ready for this step up now. So I dont actually see what your problem is. Kessler didnt step it up untill Mundine maybe, so it shows that fighters need a basis to grow on rarther than fighting the best from an early age and getting beaten. It can effect fighters, ie Junior Witter, Rey Bautsista and im going to guess Amir Khan.
Lets hope your right for Froch, would like to see him do well, but even with the belt i see him struggling to get the really big fights. And at hi age its gotta be the next couple of years
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
http://www.saddoboxing.com/8133-carl...html#more-8133
i did an article on froch to sum up 2008 and a few 2009 ideas
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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Also if you look at any of the top 10 at 168 most of their record was built on lower tier fighters and worked their to the title in order to fight the better quality fighters.
Well, Froch will fight the better fighters but at the very end of his career, when ever he actually does decide to fight them and it will be the end of his career;D
Then he will drop this ridiculous facade of being a fighter:rolleyes:
Re: Froch-Pascal Set !!!! Dec 6th
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Also if you look at any of the top 10 at 168 most of their record was built on lower tier fighters and worked their to the title in order to fight the better quality fighters.
Well, Froch will fight the better fighters but at the very end of his career, when ever he actually does decide to fight them and it will be the end of his career;D
Then he will drop this ridiculous facade of being a fighter:rolleyes:
well we will have to see about that. I doubt it will happen like that to be honest, but your entitled to your own opinion, even if i dont agree with it.
