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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Calm down son, you're not Sugar Ray Leonard yet ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
I agree though that assuming a defensive fighter has a weak chin is silly. The fact that Mayweather got caught by the likes of De La Hoya, Corrales, Hatton & Judah at some point shows that he has a chin that can hold up. Any fighter with 30+ fights (a lot at a high level) who has never been down from a punch has to have a good chin.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthis just goes to show that you know jackshit about boxing, glass jaw crew to me would be, Amir Khan, Tommy Hearns, Wlad Klitschko, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Jones' losses by KO were more from dropping to light heavy, he really hasn't been hurt after the 3rd fight with Tarver, a fight he could have won, Vargas didn't really have a glass jaw, he took a vicious beating by Trinidad and after 5 knockdowns was finally stopped in the 12th after giving Tito fits, Lewis i always ragged him on having a glass chin, but although it was far from being Iron it was half decent WHEN he came in fully focused, Mayweather has taken flush shots and although has been rocked never has gone down, and recouperates quickly, next we'll hear that Whitaker, Hopkins, and Wright were so defensive cause they can't take a punch :rolleyes:
best chins in boxing IMO
Vitali Klitschko
Erik Morales
George Chuvalo
and others
I totally disagree about Lewis,he only lost to fighters he did not take seriously first time out but got payback in the rematch with both fighters. So ok,McCall had a breakdown,but he would have lost if he was at his best,and "the Rock" was exposed in the rematch that he lost. How many heavyweights have beaten every man they have faced? not many.
The best pound for pound fighter in the world right now,Pacquiao,has 3 losses on his record,so when People are still writing Amir Khan off right now,i have to laugh. They both have the best trainer in the world,and where the packman is right now,at the top,that could be Amir in 3 years time. Feel free to disagree??
Brunos chin was solidQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
His KO defeats to witherspoon and bonecrusher were through fatigue not becuaes he couldnt take a punch
The KO punch against Lewis was a masisve swinging hook, his whole body behind it, that caught bruno on the point of the jaw, now that was a punch where anyone would have gone from
and his loses to Tyson he froze, he didnt fight well in either, yep he was KO'ed but he stood still for most of the fight, maybe it was all down to how good tyson was first time? second time it seemed to be brunos mental state
Bruno was the best heavyweight in the history of boxing
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Originally Posted by Master
Chris Arreola? He was pounded by the Klit, wasnt exactly KOed
Andre Berto
Don't really think any of those mentioned have true 'Glass jaws'. Those guys, like them or not, are operating at elite world class level. They would not have got past the journeymen if they had glass jaws.
Best jaws I can think of:
Marvin Hagler
Julio Cesar Chavez
George Chuvalo
Jess Willard
Muhammad Ali
among others who I cant think of right now
Margarito has shown pretty good punch resistance through his career.
The trouble is, that when a fighter just 'goes' ...... their punch resistance seems to just disappear. We've even seen this from great fighters!
I'd like to see the Internet Warriors who are so quick to sit on a computer and call fighters fake, cowards, cheats, glass jaw etc take a couple of shots from a professional fighter to just 'recalibrate' their grading systems. ;D
Oh god yes!! This is exactly how I feel. Just a single shot would be worth it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Although if they've done a bit of swimming I think they'd firm the shot easily ;D
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Did Ali have a fight once where his jaw got broke? Just goes to show you. An all time great,a true legend,but even the greatest boxers were human!
Audley Harrison tops my list right now.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthis just goes to show that you know jackshit about boxing, glass jaw crew to me would be, Amir Khan, Tommy Hearns, Wlad Klitschko, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Jones' losses by KO were more from dropping to light heavy, he really hasn't been hurt after the 3rd fight with Tarver, a fight he could have won, Vargas didn't really have a glass jaw, he took a vicious beating by Trinidad and after 5 knockdowns was finally stopped in the 12th after giving Tito fits, Lewis i always ragged him on having a glass chin, but although it was far from being Iron it was half decent WHEN he came in fully focused, Mayweather has taken flush shots and although has been rocked never has gone down, and recouperates quickly, next we'll hear that Whitaker, Hopkins, and Wright were so defensive cause they can't take a punch :rolleyes:
best chins in boxing IMO
Vitali Klitschko
Erik Morales
George Chuvalo
and others
I totally disagree about Lewis,he only lost to fighters he did not take seriously first time out but got payback in the rematch with both fighters. So ok,McCall had a breakdown,but he would have lost if he was at his best,and "the Rock" was exposed in the rematch that he lost. How many heavyweights have beaten every man they have faced? not many.
The best pound for pound fighter in the world right now,Pacquiao,has 3 losses on his record,so when People are still writing Amir Khan off right now,i have to laugh. They both have the best trainer in the world,and where the packman is right now,at the top,that could be Amir in 3 years time. Feel free to disagree??
Also,why is Chris Eubank not mentioned as a solid chin? Now that really WAS the toughest chin i saw on any boxer. He maybe carried on too long,as he never did recover from the brutal second meeting with Michael Watson,but man,through his showmanship,or confidence/arrogance (call it what you will) he was one tough dude!
Sad though,as both Eubank and Nigel Benn,(Benn V Gerald McCllelan) after almost killing people in the ring,they were never the same fighter afterwards,and it is very understandable why.
[QUOTE=Rayvale;923706]did you not read what i wrote about Lewis?!? i said he had a good chin, and that the only times he was sparked was when he wasn't fully prepared or took the fight seriously...Quote:
Originally Posted by RayvaleQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthis just goes to show that you know jackshit about boxing, glass jaw crew to me would be, Amir Khan, Tommy Hearns, Wlad Klitschko, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Jones' losses by KO were more from dropping to light heavy, he really hasn't been hurt after the 3rd fight with Tarver, a fight he could have won, Vargas didn't really have a glass jaw, he took a vicious beating by Trinidad and after 5 knockdowns was finally stopped in the 12th after giving Tito fits, Lewis i always ragged him on having a glass chin, but although it was far from being Iron it was half decent WHEN he came in fully focused, Mayweather has taken flush shots and although has been rocked never has gone down, and recouperates quickly, next we'll hear that Whitaker, Hopkins, and Wright were so defensive cause they can't take a punch :rolleyes:
best chins in boxing IMO
Vitali Klitschko
Erik Morales
George Chuvalo
and others
I totally disagree about Lewis,he only lost to fighters he did not take seriously first time out but got payback in the rematch with both fighters. So ok,McCall had a breakdown,but he would have lost if he was at his best,and "the Rock" was exposed in the rematch that he lost. How many heavyweights have beaten every man they have faced? not many.
The best pound for pound fighter in the world right now,Pacquiao,has 3 losses on his record,so when People are still writing Amir Khan off right now,i have to laugh. They both have the best trainer in the world,and where the packman is right now,at the top,that could be Amir in 3 years time. Feel free to disagree??
Also,why is Chris Eubank not mentioned as a solid chin? Now that really WAS the toughest chin i saw on any boxer. He maybe carried on too long,as he never did recover from the brutal second meeting with Michael Watson,but man,through his showmanship,or confidence/arrogance (call it what you will) he was one tough dude!
Sad though,as both Eubank and Nigel Benn,(Benn V Gerald McCllelan) after almost killing people in the ring,they were never the same fighter afterwards,and it is very understandable why.
Yes - he had his jaw broken during the first Norton fight. Lasted through to the end, but he lost the decision quite fairly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayvale
Joe Frazier got up 6 times afrter George Foreman nearly took his head off in Jamaica.
Jess Willard had his jaw broken in four places, 7 teeth knocked out, two broken ribs, liver and kidney damage and a fractured eye socket in the FIRST ROUND against Jack Dempsey.
Unbelievably, he gutted through, absorbed a horrific beating and was finally pulled out in the third or fourth.
You're right, everybody's human ........ it's how people respond that differentiates the greats from mere mortals!
How the fuck has Vargas even been mentioned in this thread?? :rolleyes:
If fighters take some big shots then have to run a bit that's clever, they need to clear their heads before getting stuck back in.
Any fighter who goes down from massive shots do not have a glass chin and anyone who gets knocked out from big shots does not have a glass chin. Anyone can be knocked out if caught right.
Lewis had a good chin the 2 times he was knocked out those shots would have sparked anyone.
A glass chin to me means a fighter who goes down from a punch that he should be able to take and isn't particularly hard. If he gets up then sweet try not to get caught again lol
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Originally Posted by Rayvale
Jess Willard had his jaw broken in four places, 7 teeth knocked out, two broken ribs, liver and kidney damage and a fractured eye socket in the FIRST ROUND against Jack Dempsey.
Same fight where people accuse him of loaded gloves right??
I didn't know all the specifics to Willard's injuries, this makes me wonder...
Considering how small Jack was compared to the giant.
I've read Dempsey had his gloves checked before the fight BUT, so did Margarito against Cotto in a MUCH more secure manner.