Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I think people are going a little overboard on both sides, this has all the makings to be a close, tough fought fight. Both of them fight at an incredibly high level, both have their weaknesses that seem to work perfectly for the other fighter, both are the same speed, while one throws combinations faster, the other gets off faster and is harder to hit. Both have insane cardio and could go hard for 24 rounds if they needed to.

A lot of people expect Mayweather to run and counter punch, but I think he comes forward with his hands held high, thats how he likes to fight southpaws, and unlike Oscar or Hatton he is still really hard to hit, especially if you start throwing combinations, because he is still really light on his feet and has those amazing reflexes. Like I said Manny is so much a pure counter puncher as much as he catches you while he is going backwards. Hatton is easy for anyone with speed to counter, Paulie was albe to do it when he threw his right hand, Collazo did it all night, as did Mayweather. If you have the speed to react to Hatton he is wide open for the counter. Against Oscar, Manny didn't counter as much as move away and attack when Oscar was chasing. I personally consider counter punching when you slip a punch and connect solidly ala Roy JOnes Jr. Judah has as good of countering skills as anyone when he is a) sharp and b) throwing punches. I could see Mayweather coming forward and not giving Pacquiao the oppertunity to get off punches. LIkewise I can see Pacquiao throwing 10 punches where Judah woudln't throw anything and force Mayweather to be defensive and win on aggression and output.

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Good post. A chess match indeed. Will Mayweather lay back and counter or will he press the action? Manny will probably have a clear strategy if Mayweather will decides to counter most of the night. I will see him darting in and out. Potshots here and there. Now if Floyd pushes the action with hands raised as you mentioned, Manny will have to learn to effectively fight backwards or work the angels. I remember this was the strategy of Morales in the second fight. They felt Manny could not fight backwards. You actually see Morales lunging after MP.

Tough to call. I see the first few rounds to be feeling rounds with each fighter wanting to impress during the last 15 secs of the round. Floyd's jab will be the key in keeping Manny off balanced. Manny will have to catch floyd using an angled approach and hurt him to turn the tide in his favor. Whoever keeps his cool and sticks to his gameplan will win. If both will stick to their game plan and keep their cool...its a draw for me.

If Manny gets frustrated and start throwing bombs he loses. If Floyd becomes lazy and gets caught with a whopper, he goes down.

Forecast: Floyd comes forward. Uses his jab effectively. Will win a few early rounds. Manny will measure, keep his cool and adjust. Manny catches him and hurts him in the 9th round. Floyd will fight defensively there after. Manny will start applying pressure and goes on to win the fight via 11th round stoppage.

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Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao.

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This shows me how little you know of PBF. The guy puts on this lazy, trash-talking, takes-noone-serious, bad-guy act but he isnt that. Mayweather trains like someone one the verge of mad. He wakes up at 3AM sometimes and runs 10 miles just because he feels like it. I can tell you Manny is no way more determined a fighter than Floyd is.

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If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.

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He has pretended lack of respect ever since Arturo Gatti (whom he massacred). He never underestimates noone. He trains mad for everyone, everyone. Look, he has called all his opponents bums, has-beens, whatever but on fight night you could definately see he didnt train like he though that. Dont get fooled by the act.[/quote]

All this stuff is just opinions on styles, we'll only know what is reality if they face each other, but you got me on this one... I don't know if he would really underestimate Pac, mentally speaking. I unfailrly to Mayweather Jr. misassociated a lot of uncle's, and Daddy's comments with out really thinking about the origins.

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

I can't make a prediction until I see Floyd against Marquez.

But it does seem that everyone is split and very extreme. It's either Manny will knock Floyd out or Floyd will give Manny a boxing lesson. I think this fight is going to be legendary! Not in the sense of action but in the sense of two styles mixing in a tactical fight. It would be a showcase of epic proportions!

-The world's best offense VS The world's best defense
-Current P4P champ VS Former P4P champ
-Will VS Skill
-Humble VS Flashy
-Speed VS Speed / Power VS Tactics
-Southpaw VS Orthodox
-This eras two best fighters: Manny Pacquiao VS Floyd Mayweather Jr.

All-in-all, this will be a fight that neither of the two fighters have met opponents like each other.

(I feel like I just promoted this fight)

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Let's just hope they can come to an agreement!

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but he doesn't have the counter punching technique of Judah, and I wonder how he would deal with Mayweather coming forward and putting pressure on him like he did against Judah

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I think Pac has shown us he's not that bad of a counter puncher. Watch all Kos vs Hatton and they are all counter punches. Sure, Hatton is no speedster and snail mails his punches but still. Same thing with David Diaz who went down from a counter punch. Then again, David who?

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He'll pin point Floyd weaknesses

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Which weaknesses/flaws? Can we really mention a single CLEAR weakness/flaw? He has beaten EVERY style out there: speedsters, brawlers, boxers, punchers, etc. Has he ever been down? Has he ever been bruised/cut?

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Originally Posted by C-Lo

I can't make a prediction until I see Floyd against Marquez.
-The world's best offense VS The world's best defense
-Current P4P champ VS Former P4P champ
-Will VS Skill
-Humble VS Flashy
-Speed VS Speed / Power VS Tactics
-Southpaw VS Orthodox
-This eras two best fighters: Manny Pacquiao VS Floyd Mayweather Jr.
All-in-all, this will be a fight that neither of the two fighters have met opponents like each other.

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C-Lo,
You should sent all that to Bob Arum and try to make a buck!

C-Lo never ceases to amaze me. Not only a PacFan but also a Filipino who doesn't see Pac as an invincible god who is perfect with no flaw/weakness whatsoever and could face heavyweights and beat them. Probably the only PacFan and Filipino around the forum who thinks that way.

Cheers mate!

I just finished watching Judah-Mayweather. PBF was off balanced a lot in that fight and Judah failed to capitalize. Judah knocked down Floyd in 2nd round with a short counter right hook. Roach must focus on that imo. Judah didn't have trouble landing his straight lefts in the first five rounds, but somehow Floyd nuetralized it in mid-rounds. Pac needs to watch out for Floyd's double jabs and the quick left hook.

Lol! Yoel Judah is 1 funny dude. "1,2,3,4! bam bam boom bing bang boom!" Wtf ;D

I picked Paquiao, based on his being the currently more active fighter. I realize that Mayweather is pretty much always in shape anyway, but a long lay off at the end of your career is never good. He will probably prove me wrong.

Both fighters are type A personalities and will definitely bring their master game come fight night. I just think Floyd's master game will involve too much defense and not enough punch output.

I think Pac will win a UD by being the more active fighter. I don't think either fighter gets seriously hurt in this one.

By the way there's a lot of talk about Pac getting a gift of a decision against JMM in their 2nd meeting. I thought he won it and I'm a fan of both.

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I think Pac will win a UD by being the more active fighter

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Not sure if being more active grants you the decision. Look at ODLH, he chased Floyd through the fight, threw flurries, etc. And nothing. Out of the flurries he would connect a punch or two which wouldn't hurt Floyd. Floyd would later pop Oscar with a straight right and so on. A true chess match having both guys completely clean and not hurt at all after the last bell.

The fight between two evils. I think Mayweather would own Pacquiao and he would KO him in 8 rounds. Mayweather has pinpoint accuracy and excellent defense and I just can't see Pacquiao beating Mayweather.

Asain Sensation, where did you find the whole fight? or was it a summary?

Im sure Mayweather and his team will go back over that fight and correct the mistakes he made against Judah. Mayweather hadnt fought a good southpaw in ages so wasnt used to them at all. I am 100% sure Roger will be watching that fight with his notebook fixing everything they need to change so they wont make those same mistakes. Also they will watch the fights vs Marquez, who as many believe beat PAC, see what he did and do better (which I am sure they can do).

Agreed Chino (especially about C-Lo and his great post), Oscar was throwing twice as much as Floyd and landing half throughout the fight according to Compubox. I really dont see volume as an issue. Also I think that fight was Mayweather's worst, most lackluster performance, its like he wasnt as into it, he looked very lazy idk :confused:

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Originally Posted by Phil

I don't think PBF stops him but I could see him doing what Morales did in the first fight, PBF 8-4

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Pac learned a Lot after that Morales fight. He has his right hand now & has a better defense. Pac will annihilate PBF!!!

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by Phil

I don't think PBF stops him but I could see him doing what Morales did in the first fight, PBF 8-4

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Pac learned a Lot after that Morales fight. He has his right hand now & has a better defense. Pac will annihilate PBF!!!

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Coming from the no. 1 PAC fan... PAC to demolish PBF... ;D
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by Phil

I don't think PBF stops him but I could see him doing what Morales did in the first fight, PBF 8-4

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Pac learned a Lot after that Morales fight. He has his right hand now & has a better defense. Pac will annihilate PBF!!!

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Coming from the no. 1 PAC fan... PAC to demolish PBF... ;D
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How?

I can see Pac's speed being a problem, but only for a couple of rounds.

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Pac learned a Lot after that Morales fight. He has his right hand now & has a better defense. Pac will annihilate PBF!!!

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Coming from the no. 1 PAC fan... PAC to demolish PBF... ;D
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How?

I can see Pac's speed being a problem, but only for a couple of rounds.

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We'll start going to the details when this fight is made and signed...;)
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My heart says Floyd .... my head says Mayweather.

Hmm. I guess I'll go with PBF.

Pac is dangerous and Floyd will have to be very careful ... but he will be very careful, and he will school Manny.

Respect to a great in Marquez,I'm mute on this one.I think Marquez has his back too the wall in many ways vs Mayweather,and think Mayweather takes a decision......but kick me in the azz if I ever see him as an after thought or a formality!!.........Too many ifs,mights,maybes for me,inside and outside the ring.But ALL roads are aiming in Pac vs. Mayweather direction.But I want to see Mayweather after his long layoff and dealing with JMM first!