Re: The one fight that got away
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Isn't that what you want though? A fighter going after the big names and thus getting the casual fan interested in boxing? In todays boxing society, few have as many big name fights on their record as Oscar.
No that's definitely true, but what it meant was that guys who'd really come up the hard way like Winky didn't get the opportunities they deserved. It also created the problem that casual fans would only be interested if there was a 'superfight', generally involving Oscar. Almost no one has as many big fights on their record as Oscar, but most times these fights were all based in his favour (not a problem he's the star), and he could have given guys like Winky who were unknown outside the sport a chance. Let's face it Oscar could have fought a punchbag, and the MGM Grand would of still been packed & PPV sales through the roof. On the Sturm fight, I do feel it was a robbery, not of Holyfield-Lewis proportions, but more than other alleged robberies like ODLH-Tito. I thought Sturm was taking it handily, it just seemed that as his career went on, Oscar was always getting that bit of help from the judges (see scoring against PBF, Forbes, hell even against Pacquiao he was somehow getting given rounds). I'm having quite a random rant against him here, normally like him :confused:, I'm not even a Winky Wright fan.
I see what your saying. I think its created a problem in now that he's gone, casual fans are wondering who to watch. I don't think he invisaged Pacquiao making such a name for himself from that fight. Still, I have no problem with Oscar. Yeah he avoided Winky, but he fought everyone else and considering the number of fights he has on his record, I find it stunning how many big names are on it.
Yeah, I was just itching to have a go at him. I think the problem we know face is that the only two really recognizable names in world boxing, Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquiao probably have five fights left at most between them, one of which may well be against each other. I would say to the average person in the US & UK (at least my age) Mayweather is the bigger name, partly because of his being in WWE & his association with rappers & such. I know people who know nothing about boxing (ie don't know who Oscar is in some cases) who know PBF for those reasons. Anyway its still only those two guys, and I don't see anyone who can make a global impact bar them. David Haye maybe if becomes HW champ.
Re: The one fight that got away
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Salvador Sanchez vs. Eusebio Pedroza
That's the one I always think of first. It'd be interesting. People are very quick to rank Sanchez as an ATG featherweight, but not Pedroza. Pedroza had a great title reign and fought some tough opponents. And he could box with the best of them when he wanted to, in addition to his rep for being a dirty fighter. A rep which I'd say was based on only a few fights btw.
I'd give Pedroza a pretty good chance against Sanchez.
Re: The one fight that got away
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No that's definitely true, but what it meant was that guys who'd really come up the hard way like Winky didn't get the opportunities they deserved. It also created the problem that casual fans would only be interested if there was a 'superfight', generally involving Oscar. Almost no one has as many big fights on their record as Oscar, but most times these fights were all based in his favour (not a problem he's the star), and he could have given guys like Winky who were unknown outside the sport a chance. Let's face it Oscar could have fought a punchbag, and the MGM Grand would of still been packed & PPV sales through the roof. On the Sturm fight, I do feel it was a robbery, not of Holyfield-Lewis proportions, but more than other alleged robberies like ODLH-Tito. I thought Sturm was taking it handily, it just seemed that as his career went on, Oscar was always getting that bit of help from the judges (see scoring against PBF, Forbes, hell even against Pacquiao he was somehow getting given rounds). I'm having quite a random rant against him here, normally like him :confused:, I'm not even a Winky Wright fan.
I see what your saying. I think its created a problem in now that he's gone, casual fans are wondering who to watch. I don't think he invisaged Pacquiao making such a name for himself from that fight. Still, I have no problem with Oscar. Yeah he avoided Winky, but he fought everyone else and considering the number of fights he has on his record, I find it stunning how many big names are on it.
Yeah, I was just itching to have a go at him. I think the problem we know face is that the only two really recognizable names in world boxing, Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquiao probably have five fights left at most between them, one of which may well be against each other. I would say to the average person in the US & UK (at least my age) Mayweather is the bigger name, partly because of his being in WWE & his association with rappers & such. I know people who know nothing about boxing (ie don't know who Oscar is in some cases) who know PBF for those reasons. Anyway its still only those two guys, and I don't see anyone who can make a global impact bar them. David Haye maybe if becomes HW champ.
If they didn't know who ODLH is, then the man supplying there bomb shelter/commune must have been the one to tell them of PBF.
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bet most of my mates dont know who ODH?:o
Re: The one fight that got away
One from left field:
It would of cost us Holmes/SpinksI and Hearns/Hagler, but what about Tommy Hearns Vs Michael Spinks at 175 in 85?
Re: The one fight that got away
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One from left field:
It would of cost us Holmes/SpinksI and Hearns/Hagler, but what about Tommy Hearns Vs Michael Spinks at 175 in 85?
Sorry bud losing Hearns v Hagler killed your dream fight ;)
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CutMeMick
Salvador Sanchez vs. Eusebio Pedroza
That's the one I always think of first. It'd be interesting. People are very quick to rank Sanchez as an ATG featherweight, but not Pedroza. Pedroza had a great title reign and fought some tough opponents. And he could box with the best of them when he wanted to, in addition to his rep for being a dirty fighter. A rep which I'd say was based on only a few fights btw.
I'd give Pedroza a pretty good chance against Sanchez.
I was inclined to agree with you until i re watched Sanchez V Wilfredo Gomez and Azumah Nelson.
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One from left field:
It would of cost us Holmes/SpinksI and Hearns/Hagler, but what about Tommy Hearns Vs Michael Spinks at 175 in 85?
Sorry bud losing Hearns v Hagler killed your dream fight ;)
LOL, sure it was a huge price to pay, but Tommy still could of come down to 160 in 86.
And lets remember Hagler was even more damaged going into the Mugabi fight, whilst Tommy showed against Shuler [rip], he still was the Hitman.
Re: The one fight that got away
Morales vs. Marquez Duh!:cool:
