Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
SigmaMu. Who is your pick between Pac and Cotto at 142, 144 and 147? I list a few because I don't what they're going to fight at. Just curious, since you were able to get all of the other picks right.
Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
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SigmaMu. Who is your pick between Pac and Cotto at 142, 144 and 147? I list a few because I don't what they're going to fight at. Just curious, since you were able to get all of the other picks right.
Below 147, I will take Manny.
At 147, I will really have to sit down and consider it.
Like I do at the race track, I have to take a few things into consideration. Where, who, what why and how.
How is training camp? Who will be the ref, where will they fight, what gloves, who will be the judges, what ring size, how is the cut coming along, any new distractions? A lot goes into this, so I am not just going to go on blind nuthugging when I make this pick.
Even at 147 Manny is solid. I am just going by both fighters last performances. But something tells me Manny could pull this thing off. I am not really sure yet, I am going to wait for the dust to settle, it is too early to make a prediction for me just yet. I will get back to you on this one :)
Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
Been away for awhile, but now I'm enjoying reading this and other interesting threads. Too bad I missed the post Cotto-Clottey fight forum discussions.
Anyway, here's how I see the Cotto-Pacquiao fight:
First off, I like Pacquiao as a fighter, regardless of how fanatical his fans can sometimes get. So I can try to be somewhat objective. ("Somewhat", because I'm a huge Cotto fan).
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First of all, people that are going by Pac's destruction of Hatton in two rounds, to say that he'd do something similar to Cotto... I just have three words to say: Hatton is no Cotto. Sorry, Hatton fans, but I had been saying it all along. No way was Hatton fighting for #1 p4p, no matter WHAT Hatton was saying about it. He got exposed, and that's all there is to it.
Also, that fight was at 140. This one would be at 147, or some catchweight slightly below it. Big difference there. Yes, Pac destroyed De La Hoya at 147... but Oscar was shot, a shell of his former self.
Argument # 2: "Cotto is too slow for Pacquiao." I only got one word for THAT argument... Shane Mosley (well... two words). People conveniently forget how Cotto expertly out-jabbed and out-boxed the great Mosley. Mosley was washed-up, you say? Well... ask Margarito just how washed-up Mosley is.
Will it be an easy fight for Cotto? Of course not... it would be absurd to claim that. Pacquiao is the consensus # 1 p4p for good reason. But to dismiss Cotto altogether would be foolish too. He's proven his critics wrong time and time again. AND... he's the consumate ring warrior.
Well... those are my
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Argument # 2: "Cotto is too slow for Pacquiao." I only got one word for THAT argument... Shane Mosley (well... two words). People conveniently forget how Cotto expertly out-jabbed and out-boxed the great Mosley. Mosley was washed-up, you say? Well... ask Margarito just how washed-up Mosley is.
I thought Cotto's handspeed looked noticeably slower against Clottey than it was against Mosley. His reflexes didn't seem to be quite the same.
That being said, I do agree that this is a very, very tough fight for Pacquiao.
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Argument # 2: "Cotto is too slow for Pacquiao." I only got one word for THAT argument... Shane Mosley (well... two words). People conveniently forget how Cotto expertly out-jabbed and out-boxed the great Mosley. Mosley was washed-up, you say? Well... ask Margarito just how washed-up Mosley is.
I thought Cotto's handspeed looked noticeably slower against Clottey than it was against Mosley. His reflexes didn't seem to be quite the same.
That being said, I do agree that this is a very, very tough fight for Pacquiao.
You know... I noticed that too, SweetPea. I don't know whether Miguel just adjusts his fighting style (including handspeed) to suit his opponent, or whether it's something with the training or whatnot. Whatever's the case, I hope he realizes that his handspeed's going to be key for a fight against Pacquaio.
Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
We won't hate Miguel because first Miguel is a GOOD GUY, second inspite of being a tank in the junior welter he is not a ginarmous welter the likes of Margarito and Williams and 3rd he is as vulnerbale as PAC it's a winnable fight for both guys honestly.
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Argument # 2: "Cotto is too slow for Pacquiao." I only got one word for THAT argument... Shane Mosley (well... two words). People conveniently forget how Cotto expertly out-jabbed and out-boxed the great Mosley. Mosley was washed-up, you say? Well... ask Margarito just how washed-up Mosley is.
I thought Cotto's handspeed looked noticeably slower against Clottey than it was against Mosley. His reflexes didn't seem to be quite the same.
That being said, I do agree that this is a very, very tough fight for Pacquiao.
You know... I noticed that too, SweetPea. I don't know whether Miguel just adjusts his fighting style (including handspeed) to suit his opponent, or whether it's something with the training or whatnot. Whatever's the case, I hope he realizes that his handspeed's going to be key for a fight against Pacquaio.
I don't think he's faded physically, just a little gunshy after Marg, and less confidence in his gameplan.
Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao
Yeah. I felt Cotto's handspeed and reflexes looked dulled against Clottey as well. Thought he won the decision (by a point) but got the feeling he is nearing the end of his career - which he himself has admitted (the ending career part).
His new trainer, Santiago, expressed that the he feels the speed is still there and is something they will train/focus more on with the Pacquiao fight.
I don't blame anyone, Mayweather or Cotto, for wanting to fight Pac. He's a huge payday win or lose and is an amazing fighter with big recent wins against very good opponents - no excuses for the losers. They lost to the better man.
That said I still believe Cotto has enough goods to TKO or KO Pac. I just think the style matchup favors Cotto.
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Argument # 2: "Cotto is too slow for Pacquiao." I only got one word for THAT argument... Shane Mosley (well... two words). People conveniently forget how Cotto expertly out-jabbed and out-boxed the great Mosley. Mosley was washed-up, you say? Well... ask Margarito just how washed-up Mosley is.
I thought Cotto's handspeed looked noticeably slower against Clottey than it was against Mosley. His reflexes didn't seem to be quite the same.
That being said, I do agree that this is a very, very tough fight for Pacquiao.
You know... I noticed that too, SweetPea. I don't know whether Miguel just adjusts his fighting style (including handspeed) to suit his opponent, or whether it's something with the training or whatnot. Whatever's the case, I hope he realizes that his handspeed's going to be key for a fight against Pacquaio.
You know guys i noticed that too , but i dont know if somebody think the same in what im going say , but sometimes i been thinking if Cotto when comes fight if is overtraining , Could be that a possibility ?
