thats the way to do it dannyboy
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thats the way to do it dannyboy
Danny Williams is a brave fighter no doubt but still there was no reasonj to continue with that injury he was risking permemnent damageQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I'm not bashing Vitali for quitting but..........Quote:
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Originally Posted by Drago
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1jzjTjIhY
Danny never did know when to quit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1PIHQmMWo
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Originally Posted by KelI'm not bashing Vitali for quitting but..........Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
His shoulder was prettyt much shot cant remember if he had surgery or not but I remember it was useless at that point...
But again...
Haye is not the boxer Byrd was and it will be easier to find haye with the jab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1jzjTjIhY
Thx. for posting that; 1st time I'd seen that......wow!!! Potter got ktfo by essentially an amputee:lolhaha: A proud moment for Williams and his fans no doubt; not so much for Potter and Co.;D
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Originally Posted by KelI'm not bashing Vitali for quitting but..........Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1jzjTjIhY
Thx. for posting that; 1st time I'd seen that......wow!!! Potter got ktfo by essentially an amputee:lolhaha: A proud moment for Williams and his fans no doubt; not so much for Potter and Co.;D
Danny Williams the one armed boxer.
Where did THAT Danny Williams go? The exciting one with head movement and a good jab. The Danny Williams that wouldnt have been dominated so heavily by Vitali and knocked out by Harrison in 3 rounds or however long it was. Where was the Danny Williams that fought with one arm.. no won with one arm lol And is it me or did he all of a sudden become a better fighter when that arm left him?
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Originally Posted by Kel
Thx. for posting that; 1st time I'd seen that......wow!!! Potter got ktfo by essentially an amputee:lolhaha: A proud moment for Williams and his fans no doubt; not so much for Potter and Co.;D
Danny Williams the one armed boxer.
Where did THAT Danny Williams go? The exciting one with head movement and a good jab. The Danny Williams that wouldnt have been dominated so heavily by Vitali and knocked out by Harrison in 3 rounds or however long it was. Where was the Danny Williams that fought with one arm.. no won with one arm lol And is it me or did he all of a sudden become a better fighter when that arm left him?
I thought the same thing when he went gimpy. Amazing how survival mode and heart can drive a person to amazing feats{or not}.
Lets see here:
Haye is moving up from Cruiserweight where he beat mediocre opposition at best to become undisputed champ, has a shaky defense, comes in wild and throws looping punches, has power unproven at heavyweight, and has stamina issues.....oh yeah and doesnt have the best punch resistance....
Vitali - has never been down or even hurt from a punch (spagetti legged), patient, calculating, has solid technique, utilizes the jab well, has very good power, mentally tough, size and reach advantage....
I am not saying Vitali is by any means one of the best HW's of all time but he will steam roll Haye inside 5. I think Haye can possibly win a decision if he dances, moves, and uses punch and go. The problem is Haye has questionable stamina and gets drawn into wild exchanges and he will lose this battle.....
First off let's not get on Vitali for hurting his shoulder vs Chris Byrd....Evander Holyfield fought through a torn rotator cuff and it didn't do his career any favors. ALSO Vitali redeemed himself by that gutsy performance he gave vs Lennox Lewis.
And not to disagree with you Hunter, but both Corrie Sanders and Lennox Lewis hurt Vitali....he never went down, but they both caught him pretty flush and vs Lennox he held on and vs Sanders he got a little wobbley. But this is erroneous because David Haye isn't on their level in regards of punching power.
Haye has to avoid ALL of Vitali's power punches and Vitali is very accurate and measured in his approach so it's going to be difficult for David Haye to do...it would have been more difficult for Haye to beat Wladimir because he would have to get past that jab and that just wasn't going to happen.
I'm hoping Vitali scores a Pacquiao-Hatton/Henderson-Bisping type KO...but he's more apt to just beat David Haye up for a while
Iv'e always rated Wladimir Klitschko as the better boxer out of the two brothers.
Even way back when we were debating the outcome of a JFAT-VK or JFAT-WK fight, i always figured Toney would have a much better chance against Vitali than Wladimir...
I say this because i actually think Vitali is a almost a piss poor boxer. Its a shame there isn't a single Sharp-Shooting Heavyweight with enough stamina to last 12 rounds. Cause that's all it would take to beat Vitali.
Sanders didn't quite have it and i'm afraid Haye doesn't either.
The thing is, Haye doesn't necessarily have to be the Knock-out artist everyone thinks he needs to be against Vitali.
What he needs to be is ready to move in, move out, sharp-shoot, move out, move in, move out, sharp shoot for 12 long rounds.
Haye just aint got that in the bag. I say Vitali by 7 round TKO
Well I think the main thing Haye doesn't have "in the bag" so to speak is defense or a chin....I've said it all along Vitali is a better FIGHTER but Wladimir is the better BOXER, I doubt that using angles and pot shotting is going to be effective vs Vitali, he's got solid defense, he rarely gets hit hard, and he's very awkward and that seems to throw off his competition.
Vitali is going to KO David Haye, it's just a matter of when David Haye gets caught...it could be the first round, it could be the last round.
LOL. This is gonna be great until September 1. When Haye loses his tampon and has to cancel once again. Then some of the jokers on this board will say "Well it is Vitali who didn't want to postpone the fight when Haye was menstrating".
David Haye is just like Naseem Hamed, sure he can talk a good game, but once he's in the ring with the fighter he has taken the time to thoroughly piss off it's not going to be fun and games. Wladimir wanted to punish Haye for 12 rounds....Vitali will just bash him from the get go, it's going to be short and BRUTAL (providing Haye makes it to the fight night).
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Well Lefty that really isn't an absurd prediction? :confused:
Funny you mention Sanders. Sanders that got into that fight out of shape as possible got to Vitali a lot easier then I'd have expected him to. If thats any indication then Haye may get to Vitali as well but will be in shape. The question is if Haye can take Vitali's punches the same way Sanders could. I'm not sure he wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Sanders had 1-2 rounds of real fight in him....other than that he just swung wildly and Vitali used head movement and footwork to keep out of his way. Of course Vitali knew Sanders was out of shape and he got caught because he wasn't careful enough...he corrected himself and the rest of the fight was a shut out. Lennox Lewis got to Vitali using size and strength and STILL couldn't put him down (that was a GREAT fight IMO, pure action from the get go, both guys gunning for the KO).
We really haven't seen David take a big punch at heavyweight, he's fought a total of 6 rounds at heavyweight, and we can't tell if he takes a punch better when he's not cutting weight or if he's stronger or anything...all we know is he can beat up on bums. I don't think stopping Monte Barrett in the 5th round is all that great of an accomplishment considering where his career was at that point, the very sad thing is that David Haye seriously thought #1 Monte Barrett was a "dangerous and household name fighter" (David's words not mine) and #2 That beating him meant something.
Haye hasn't had to deal with many durable opponents no matter the weight class....I guess you could throw Carl Thompson out there but hell Vitali has seldom been hurt, never been down, and only lost on account of injuries so my prediction is unless Vitali injures himself then David Haye WILL get KO'd...that's just going with the odds. Vitali doesn't have to bring his A game to beat David Haye, but Haye has to be great AND Vitali has to have an off night for Haye to get a win.
leftylee, out of 39 fights Vitali has lost 2 fights due to injury (that's a FACT), he has won 37 fights....36 by KO, so no, I don't like David Haye's chances to bother Vitali or go the distance much less to win the fight. A funny thing you guys might notice about the guys the Klitschko's fight, when those poor souls get caught with their first right cross, you can see them trying to shake out the cobwebs right afterwards.