Nebraska was a different time, things have changed a bit. Anyway we could go on and on but I will guarantee they won't win one. If they do I'll send you a dollar or something.
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Nebraska was a different time, things have changed a bit. Anyway we could go on and on but I will guarantee they won't win one. If they do I'll send you a dollar or something.
....when you can turn Navy back into a big bowl WINNER like Johnson did playing no easier a schedule than Tech plays now, then you've got something. Johnson can recruit and he'll get better recruits for his team because of the style of his offense and not inspite of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
We can do some kind of bet, it's funny I already have a bet with a friend of mine and he keeps adding on years for me thinking Tech will never win a Championship. The bet is a steak dinner and each time we discuss it I tell him "Medium Rare" because the way Tech will do it is SEC and Big 12 teams beat each other up and a Big 10 team squeaks by with an unblemished record and Tech wins out in the ACC and then the speed and power of Tech will demolish OSU, Penn State, Michigan....Johnson is already quite accomplished at beating Jim Tressle
I think an option based team can still be a NC contender. The key is to be a completelty run based offense you need a tremendous defense. As great as Nebraska's option was, the blackshirt defense was always one of the best in the nation.
Listen to Lyle. He's right. Georgia Tech will be the next dominate team to come out of the ACC. They will be a bowl team. And if everything falls into place they have an outside chance at a BCS bowl. In 2 years Tech will be a regular National title contender every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm gonna bump this thread after every national championship game for years
Not gonna happen ;D Sorry.
When the option is run correctly nothing can stop it
That's pretty tough guys. The depth of the ACC is horrible but improving with NC, Miami and FSU bouncing back last year but it's going to take more then 2 years for any team from the ACC to get back into the title picture. I'm not sure that's realistic. Recruiting to Navy and recruiting to Georgia Tech are two different things entirely.
Plus OumaFan is right, top recruits especially the ones you need like linemen and recievers aren't going to want to run in an option offense. They are going to want to run in pro style offenses on the bigger stage in the SEC.
Linebackers and defensive ends on the elite level are way to fast to get burned on the option. The wildcat like the one they ran in West Virginia is the new option.
Maybe if it's 1994 or maybe if you are playing a Big 10/12 defense everyweek but not in the SEC and not in the Pac 10. With the speed that that part of the country has you can recruit to stop the option really quickly. There is a reason noone has been able to sustain the option for multiple years w/ multiple classes for the past 10 years, the game has evolved past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah Navy can make it work for them like Hawaii did the huck and chuck but top recruits who are thinking NFL from their sophmore year of high school aren't going to want to play in a gimmick offense. Have you ever seen a national contending team throw 60 times a game like Hawaii did? It's been a looong time for the option.
amat you're right recruiting is different at Navy and at GATech, it should be much easier to get talented players to Tech....let's not forget they have a history of being very good, they won a national championship in 1991.
Coach Johnson won't get the players who want to turn pro early, but option players #1 Stay in school 4 years and #2 Have few choices as far as big time colleges ergo Coach Johnson will get THE BEST option players.
The ONLY Pac10 school I think that could shut down an option team is USC...they may have the speed but I don't think they have the power (other than SC). The SEC has the best of both worlds. The Big 10 teams are too slow and the Big 12, they play defense???
It would be tough to win a NC at Georgia Tech period IMO.
I know you can say look they've done it before but I really think some things have changed for the moment. Obviously a lot of things have changed as far as sophistication of offenses but also a lot of the big programs with natural recruiting advantages and/or tradition have gotten their act together. Teams like USC, Florida, Texas, even LSU really all have big recruiting advantages because of their home states abundance of talent but a lot of those teams pissed around for a while in the 90's due to poor coaching. Those teams plus other teams like Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State where its easier to win than places like Georgia Tech have also gotten it together to various degrees.
Georgia Tech is just more difficult to recruit to than a lot of the "big" teams. Because of that you could almost make an argument that the option is a better system for them because maybe you don't have to recruit the top guys on offense at least. But I think you have to be able to pass the ball at least competently these days to win the NC, athletes are just getting better and better at these top schools defensively, hence these spread option attacks.
This would be blasphemous to most other Alabama fans but even though I think the 1992 NC winning Alabama team had one of the top defenses of all time I think they'd have a hard time winning the NC these days cause of their offense.
That was a bit rambling, oh well.
You can't be serious. No way. The option is old there's a reason Dennis Dixon was running the spread option and not the triple option at Oregon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
amat, Oregon couldn't beat Boisie State, how are they going to stop Tech much less score on them? The reason they run the spread is because the Pac10(bar USC) like the Big12 in that they don't believe in defense.
When Jonathan Dwyer can run over, around, and through FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Miss St. then he would have no trouble with Oregon
Both Oregon and Boise could definitely beat Tech, probably would, but they would be interesting bowl games. Tech was a bit fortunate to beat Clemson at home, they really didn't do all that much offensively there, its a bit easy to figure out.
I think Miami beats Tech this week...
"Get ya popcorn ready"
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