Cotto-Pac - Who wins? Fact.

Pacs speed vs cottos power

Cotto can hurt manny, he can hurt manny bad. He has to stay out of the way of his quick hands though and not make it a fight as manny will love that. If he doesnt fall into the same trap hatton did and hasnt underestimated pacquiaos ability like ODLH did i see cotto possibly taking manny out late on.

Has to be very sensible early doors and look to lead with the jab. Make manny chase the fight and use your superior strength advantages to wear him down on the counter.

Cotto in 11

22 For Cotto vs 21 for Pac on the vote at the moment

21 of you are gonna be wrong ;D

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

There's no way Pacquiao can win, he's far too limited.

All he does is right-hook roll under, same move every time.

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LOL

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Originally Posted by BIG H

22 For Cotto vs 21 for Pac on the vote at the moment

21 of you are gonna be wrong ;D

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Make that 22 of us now ;D

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by BIG H

22 For Cotto vs 21 for Pac on the vote at the moment

21 of you are gonna be wrong ;D

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Make that 22 of us now ;D

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22 v 22 - not often we get a split like that.

It's now 22 vs 23 after my vote...

Seriously though I looked at the voting and expected Pac's side to be the whole Saddo Pac army, but it's mostly subjective posters... You can intelligently or theoretically argue for either fight and no one can say your a clueless moron...

I would say Cotto to big and strong, and if he ends up being that, then it'll probably seem so obvious and everyone will wonder how they hell they didn't see it coming..
On the other hand if Pac had an absolute blinder and can do a DLHesque dismantling over the 12 rounds, then people will probably feel how obvious that result was also...

It's a pickem fight, until the end, when we'll also sit back and go,,, Duh! Of course that was how it was going to go...

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

It's now 22 vs 23 after my vote...

Seriously though I looked at the voting and expected Pac's side to be the whole Saddo Pac army, but it's mostly subjective posters... You can intelligently or theoretically argue for either fight and no one can say your a clueless moron...

I would say Cotto to big and strong, and if he ends up being that, then it'll probably seem so obvious and everyone will wonder how they hell they didn't see it coming..
On the other hand if Pac had an absolute blinder and can do a DLHesque dismantling over the 12 rounds, then people will probably feel how obvious that result was also...

It's a pickem fight, until the end, when we'll also sit back and go,,, Duh! Of course that was how it was going to go...

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Thats exactly how I see it. I am leaning slightly for Pac although you have to remember Oscar was not anyhting like his old self that night and Cotto could be in his prime right now.

Did Cotto look weight drained yesterday upon his arrival in Vegas? I read that somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

It's now 22 vs 23 after my vote...

Seriously though I looked at the voting and expected Pac's side to be the whole Saddo Pac army, but it's mostly subjective posters... You can intelligently or theoretically argue for either fight and no one can say your a clueless moron...

I would say Cotto to big and strong, and if he ends up being that, then it'll probably seem so obvious and everyone will wonder how they hell they didn't see it coming..
On the other hand if Pac had an absolute blinder and can do a DLHesque dismantling over the 12 rounds, then people will probably feel how obvious that result was also...

It's a pickem fight, until the end, when we'll also sit back and go,,, Duh! Of course that was how it was going to go...

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theyve all been banned mate ;D;D;D

I just dont see how cotto a natural 145pounder is gonna get sucked in like oscar did. A lot of the punches manny was landing on oscar at 147pounds werent having a hole lot of effect, it was just that there were so many of them.

I see cotto feeling his way through the 1st 4 and just getting more and more confident as the fight goes on. Cotto will be the 1st guy since marquez to land big on pacquiao but it`ll be much heavier shots!!

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Did Cotto look weight drained yesterday upon his arrival in Vegas? I read that somewhere.

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He did. I posted a picture in one of the many Pac vs Cotto threads in here.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Did Cotto look weight drained yesterday upon his arrival in Vegas? I read that somewhere.

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He did. I posted a picture in one of the many Pac vs Cotto threads in here.

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Really? Damn. Like the weight may be a problem? 145 isn't very different than 147 especially since Cotto had a longer camp this time around and came in at 146 in his last fight. Strangely, the odds for Cotto have improved in the last few days.

The saying goes "a good bigger man, always beats a great smaller man" , Which is why I voted for Pacquaio. I don't see Cotto as a good fighter, regardless of weight. I think this fight is Pacquaio's to lose. Looking at both fighters:

Cotto- He's slow and rather mechanical. His assertion that his hands are as fast as Pacquiao's, is a bit of over assumption on his part. Whats more he's open for an uppercut right up the middle... all day, every day. His playing coy with the media as far as not letting anyone see his training is rather pointless. He's been the same fight to fight. If his team said the plan was to walk Manny down or pressure him and break him down, i'd be impressed. The fact that he's said on numerous occasions, "that theyre ready for anything that Pacquaio brings, plays into the assumption of Roach that Cotto is looking to counter punch. I don't think Cottos ready for the pace that he will allow Manny to set. His power is there..but his coach being a gloried Go-for... I think his application is going to suffer with the lateral movement and the volume of punches being thrown by Pacquaio. He'll have a heard time getting his feet set and sitting down on his heavier shots.

Pacquaio - Despite being reinvented as a Boxing Messiah, Manny was still a limited fighter before and is overshooting his potential. He follows instructions well, very well but he can still be out thought. That being said, the transformation he's made as a fighter still says a lot about his potential and his understanding of the game. The dissention in his camp this time doesn't speak well for a group that appeared so tight before, and he does seemed to have been wearing himself thin between nationalism, politics, media appearences, Karaoke, and fighting. That would make him ripe for the picking. The difference maker here being Roach. I don't think that Roach is above faking injuries, if he truly needed more time to get Manny focused and ready. Quick southpaws have a way of making Cottos head spin, even at a relaxed pace. Double or triple the pace, add some angles and good lateral movement, and stack it on top of the spirit of a guy who doesn't mind getting hit and has experience fighting bigger opponents... and I find the odds stacked in Mannys favor.
Now I will say there is is an odd feeling that somethings not right about Pacquaio this time around, and I could see him making the biggest mistake he could make... I still think that if there was a major reason to think Pacquaio couldn't be close to his best, there would some kind of stalling or nickel and diming going on at the last minute to secure another advantage. Manny even just close to his best is still better than Cotto.If Pacquaio has strict orders to stay off the ropes, it could be a hard night for Cotto. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by hfahrenheit

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

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I will pick Cotto, but of course I admit a little bias. But I was just thinking of the Mosley fight and I saw a lot there that gives me confidence that Cotto will beat Manny.

1. Mosley neutralized Cotto's left hook to the body by simply holding his left during clinches. Cotto adapted, as he does very well, and boxed Mosley more. The jab was on point and Mosley was very confused throughout the fight (look at his face in between rounds). Even when Mosley came on in the late rounds, Cotto boxed superbly.

2. Mosley's comments at the end of the fight say it all. He said of Cotto: "he's a pretty good boxer too."

3. Basically, if Cotto comes out in a controlled manner, like he did against Clottey in the last fight, and establishes the jab first and everything else second, I don't see how he can lose.

Manny's speed will the deciding factor.....I think. With these two class acts it's very hard to choose who has the edge, my guess is Pacman by SD.

It's going to be a great fight no matter who wins.

Cotto will be in a situation where he doesn't know what to do. His corner is so green, that he's basically training himself. He will be surgically picked apart. It will be a one-sided bloodbath.