Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
Pac-Guaman at 122 would of been the great
Guzman is fighting Funeka well above his best weight
Add in inactivity
Funeka's freakish gifts in height & reach
All spells a bad night for Joan
Who hung tough
At 122 Pac was busting his ass against Sanchez:p
Who knows what might have happen
Between Pac-Guzman at Super-Bantam
What a coincidence I just rewatched the fight last night. People should take a look at that fight. I think fighters should watch that fight if they want to beat Pacquiao. Frustrate him by fouling him non stop. I swear without exaggeration. There's at least 20 Low blows in that fight by the late agapito. at Least 5 intentional heat butt. 5 elbows and 1 leg drop. The leg drop was legit not just WWF type fake leg drop.
Pac-Guzman at 122 is 50-50 IMO. Pacquiao has the power but not as diverse in his attack compared to now and Guzman hasnt showed anything worthy againts top level opponents as of that point.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
Pac-Guaman at 122 would of been the great
Guzman is fighting Funeka well above his best weight
Add in inactivity
Funeka's freakish gifts in height & reach
All spells a bad night for Joan
Who hung tough
At 122 Pac was busting his ass against Sanchez:p
Who knows what might have happen
Between Pac-Guzman at Super-Bantam
What a coincidence I just rewatched the fight last night. People should take a look at that fight. I think fighters should watch that fight if they want to beat Pacquiao. Frustrate him by fouling him non stop. I swear without exaggeration. There's
at least 20 Low blows in that fight by the late agapito. at Least 5 intentional heat butt. 5 elbows and 1 leg drop. The leg drop was legit not just WWF type fake leg drop.
Pac-Guzman at 122 is 50-50 IMO. Pacquiao has the power but not as diverse in his attack compared to now and Guzman hasnt showed anything worthy againts top level opponents as of that point.
You crack me up brother
That was a dirty ass fight;D
Remember Guzman stopped Sanchez in 7 at that weight:thumb:
That weas straight after the Pac fight
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
Pac-Guaman at 122 would of been the great
Guzman is fighting Funeka well above his best weight
Add in inactivity
Funeka's freakish gifts in height & reach
All spells a bad night for Joan
Who hung tough
At 122 Pac was busting his ass against Sanchez:p
Who knows what might have happen
Between Pac-Guzman at Super-Bantam
What a coincidence I just rewatched the fight last night. People should take a look at that fight. I think fighters should watch that fight if they want to beat Pacquiao. Frustrate him by fouling him non stop. I swear without exaggeration. There's
at least 20 Low blows in that fight by the late agapito. at Least 5 intentional heat butt. 5 elbows and 1 leg drop. The leg drop was legit not just WWF type fake leg drop.
Pac-Guzman at 122 is 50-50 IMO. Pacquiao has the power but not as diverse in his attack compared to now and Guzman hasnt showed anything worthy againts top level opponents as of that point.
You crack me up brother
That was a dirty ass fight;D
Remember Guzman stopped Sanchez in 7 at that weight:thumb:
That weas straight after the Pac fight
yeah i was aware of that WBO Belt.
There was no offer from Guzman camp that im aware of when they're were @122. Unless i miss it but i doubt it. Im online 10 hours a day 5 days a week. I wont miss that big news if they really offer a fight with Pacquiao. the truth is Guzman camp didnt offer a fight with Pacquiao and Pac have a bigger name than Guzman Pac wants Barrera who was a GOD at that time.
among i rewatched last night was an interview with Pac's fomer manager the Late Rod Nazario. In the interview he said Pac wants Barrera so bad. Nazario himself as well as his trainer dont want a Barrera fight. They all think he's not ready. But Pac keeps on bugging him everyday that after the Lucero fight. He started negotiating with the Barrera Camp.
The thing with Guzman is. he thinks everybody is avoiding him :confused: . The only thing close to that is Juan Manuel Marquez fight with Rocky Juarez. Guzman was initially considered for that fight but JMM camp preferred Juarez.
Erik Morales, MAB and Pac are the Big names and they didnt avoid him. His camp didnt offer a fight. but Guzman thinks they avoided him because they didnt offer him a fight :confused:
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
What a coincidence I just rewatched the fight last night. People should take a look at that fight. I think fighters should watch that fight if they want to beat Pacquiao. Frustrate him by fouling him non stop. I swear without exaggeration. There's at least 20 Low blows in that fight by the late agapito. at Least 5 intentional heat butt. 5 elbows and 1 leg drop. The leg drop was legit not just WWF type fake leg drop.
Pac-Guzman at 122 is 50-50 IMO. Pacquiao has the power but not as diverse in his attack compared to now and Guzman hasnt showed anything worthy againts top level opponents as of that point.
You crack me up brother
That was a dirty ass fight;D
Remember Guzman stopped Sanchez in 7 at that weight:thumb:
That weas straight after the Pac fight
yeah i was aware of that WBO Belt.
There was no offer from Guzman camp that im aware of when they're were @122. Unless i miss it but i doubt it. Im online 10 hours a day 5 days a week. I wont miss that big news if they really offer a fight with Pacquiao. the truth is Guzman camp didnt offer a fight with Pacquiao and Pac have a bigger name than Guzman Pac wants Barrera who was a GOD at that time.
among i rewatched last night was an interview with Pac's fomer manager the Late Rod Nazario. In the interview he said Pac wants Barrera so bad. Nazario himself as well as his trainer dont want a Barrera fight. They all think he's not ready. But Pac keeps on bugging him everyday that after the Lucero fight. He started negotiating with the Barrera Camp.
The thing with Guzman is. he thinks everybody is avoiding him :confused: . The only thing close to that is Juan Manuel Marquez fight with Rocky Juarez. Guzman was initially considered for that fight but JMM camp preferred Juarez.
Erik Morales, MAB and Pac are the Big names and they didnt avoid him. His camp didnt offer a fight. but Guzman thinks they avoided him because they didnt offer him a fight :confused:
Pac didn't avoid him
But it was a fight I wanted to see
Pac took Barrera-no foul there
Would have liked to have seen him against-
Ayala-Larios-Vasquez or Monshipour around that time tough:thumb:
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
You crack me up brother
That was a dirty ass fight;D
Remember Guzman stopped Sanchez in 7 at that weight:thumb:
That weas straight after the Pac fight
yeah i was aware of that WBO Belt.
There was no offer from Guzman camp that im aware of when they're were @122. Unless i miss it but i doubt it. Im online 10 hours a day 5 days a week. I wont miss that big news if they really offer a fight with Pacquiao. the truth is Guzman camp didnt offer a fight with Pacquiao and Pac have a bigger name than Guzman Pac wants Barrera who was a GOD at that time.
among i rewatched last night was an interview with Pac's fomer manager the Late Rod Nazario. In the interview he said Pac wants Barrera so bad. Nazario himself as well as his trainer dont want a Barrera fight. They all think he's not ready. But Pac keeps on bugging him everyday that after the Lucero fight. He started negotiating with the Barrera Camp.
The thing with Guzman is. he thinks everybody is avoiding him :confused: . The only thing close to that is Juan Manuel Marquez fight with Rocky Juarez. Guzman was initially considered for that fight but JMM camp preferred Juarez.
Erik Morales, MAB and Pac are the Big names and they didnt avoid him. His camp didnt offer a fight. but Guzman thinks they avoided him because they didnt offer him a fight :confused:
Pac didn't avoid him
But it was a fight I wanted to see
Pac took Barrera-no foul there
Would have liked to have seen him against-
Ayala-Larios-Vasquez or Monshipour around that time tough:thumb:
To be honest with you. I dont want Guzman, Vasquez and larios at that time ;D
as i' ve told you Barrera was GOD then and you have Erik Morales who was Barrera's equal.
It was Dream come true when they announce the Barrera fight.
On Guzman : Back to square one for him. If established superstar can fight 2-3 fights a year why cant he? He should fight at least 3 times a year if not more.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
I agree the commentary glossed over a lot of the defensive work Guzman did buuuuuut a draw is not out of the question. Look at the punchstats! ;D
No but really, you could see Guzman was waaay effected by the injury to his nose that made him breathe through his mouth. I really don't think he fought that bad of a fight, he just didn't have the legs afterwards to keep moving and instead of limiting to Funeka to single jabs from the outside, he lingered around and got hit with more. It's to bad, he's a good fighter but I scored it (with the commentary) 9 rounds to 3, giving 1,2 and 7 to Guzman, same as HBO. For all I know, 11 and 12 could very well have been his which means if even one of those other rounds is even, that's a draw and a victory baby! Of course in this instance, draw and victory go together. Since there was no champion, the belt was vacant, therefore no fighter had to 'take the belt', it was kind of just lying there for both of them. When Guzman saw that he was losing the actual fight and literally getting beat up, he did the smart thing and won the boxing match instead. Great American tactic he surely picked up in New York. He closed out the last 15 seconds of rounds brilliantly, often times he smiled and winked at others in the crowd, it was quite a performance.
It was a pretty clear that Guzman won more rounds then it actually looked he won. He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.
Clearer heads will prevail and we'll see it for ourselves one day. Good job both guys.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
amat
I agree the commentary glossed over a lot of the defensive work Guzman did buuuuuut a draw is not out of the question. Look at the punchstats! ;D
No but really, you could see Guzman was waaay effected by the injury to his nose that made him breathe through his mouth. I really don't think he fought that bad of a fight, he just didn't have the legs afterwards to keep moving and instead of limiting to Funeka to single jabs from the outside, he lingered around and got hit with more. It's to bad, he's a good fighter but I scored it (with the commentary) 9 rounds to 3, giving 1,2 and 7 to Guzman, same as HBO. For all I know, 11 and 12 could very well have been his which means if even one of those other rounds is even, that's a draw and a victory baby! Of course in this instance, draw and victory go together. Since there was no champion, the belt was vacant, therefore no fighter had to 'take the belt', it was kind of just lying there for both of them. When Guzman saw that he was losing the actual fight and literally getting beat up, he did the smart thing and won the boxing match instead. Great American tactic he surely picked up in New York. He closed out the last 15 seconds of rounds brilliantly, often times he smiled and winked at others in the crowd, it was quite a performance.
It was a pretty clear that Guzman won more rounds then it actually looked he won. He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.
Clearer heads will prevail and we'll see it for ourselves one day. Good job both guys.
You had it 9 rounds to 3. And you said 11 and 12 could be his. If you give that to him (w/c you didnt) that would still be Funeka 115-113.
now you said if another round is even. say 10-10. That would still be 115-114 Funeka
You've given him all the benefits and you still had him losing mate. Maybe Funeka was really robbed. Maybe my interpretaion of your post is wrong?
:)
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
I said he was the more macho man (or something to that extent) so that should get him at least 1 round extra on some judge's scorecards. So being modest, that would flip it around, giving Guzman a 115-114 (a very possible 116-115) decision. But other then that yeah. I had it 9-3, but 5 rounds to 4 with 3 even for either guy isn't a scorecard I could argue with. If I was watching the fight and then comparing my scorecard simultaneously, I'm not sure I could defend it. But as a scorecard itself, it's a really solid one.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
amat
I said he was the more macho man (or something to that extent) so that should get him at least 1 round extra on some judge's scorecards. So being modest, that would flip it around, giving Guzman a 115-114 (a very possible 116-115) decision. But other then that yeah. I had it 9-3, but 5 rounds to 4 with 3 even for either guy isn't a scorecard I could argue with. If I was watching the fight and then comparing my scorecard simultaneously, I'm not sure I could defend it. But as a scorecard itself, it's a really solid one.
I see.
I thought you said you have it 9 rounds to 3 for Funeka. All good mate.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.
I told ya so.
The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.
ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.
More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
I hear the judge who scored against Guzman, the New Jersey one, was actually watching a stream of the fight live thus he didn't see Guzman actually avoid almost every punch. That guy is just tired of rooting for the Nets.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka
10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?
You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Cleon
Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka
10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?
You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.
I still had Funeka winning. But it was a lot closer. One or two round difference.
Re: I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.
So that's Fenster, VD, amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it).
Open your eyes and close your ears people.
Justice for Guzman!!!
