Malignaggi accuses Pac of Steroid abuse..

I think you have to assume its possible any and every successful athlete is roiding, its the real world, doesn't mean anyone should be punished if they haven't tested positive and/or have overwhelming circumstantial evidence against them.

But its silly to think somebody just CAN'T be doing it cause they're a nice guy, they seem honest, you're a big fan, etc., etc.

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Originally Posted by Diane

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.

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Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :D

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Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

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Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

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Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

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It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

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The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by Diane

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :D

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Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.


so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true

- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)

- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life

- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time

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Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

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Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

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It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

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The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

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The author did say stronger AND faster with each rise. Not just successful. That does seem quite unnatural.

I don't see any reason to say he's gotten faster as he's gone up.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't see any reason to say he's gotten faster as he's gone up.

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I personally am not saying anyone is stronger or faster. I don't speculate anymore. I just spectate.

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by Diane

Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.

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Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,

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It's not humanly possible for a fighter to continue to go up in weight and get stronger and faster with each rise.

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The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

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The author did say stronger AND faster with each rise. Not just successful. That does seem quite unnatural.

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Pacquiao is not faster now, I've seen plenty of his fights since his days as a featherweight to say he's not faster now fighting at 140+ pounds.

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Originally Posted by blegit

I'm not going to say Pac is on steroids but I will say that I would not be surprised in the least. But I say this due to my experiences of what I've been around. I have been in and around the boxing gym since I was a child. For many years I knew of no one taking anything illegal. I also have been around weights, steroids, and users of steroids for about the last 10-12 years. I personally know of 2 steroids that are undetectable. 1 of them is common in the gym I workout at. That one is not exactly a rarity in the boxing gym either even to amateurs boxers. Supplements and PEDs are much more common in the boxing world than people who are doing it right really know or want it to be true. You can't go by test at all. Tests are relatively easy to beat even if your on a detectable steroid. The people who test positive were either completely ignorant to how easy it is to get away or just got snitched on. Knowing what I know now, most users will never get caught so I just don't even try to speculate anymore. Its going to be here and probably gradually get worse.

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It's sad to hear that. I think it'll eventually ruin the sport. :eek:

I like to believe that Pac doesn't roid, although as you said, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It's been in the back of my mind since the Cotto fight. :(

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't see any reason to say he's gotten faster as he's gone up.

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I personally am not saying anyone is stronger or faster. I don't speculate anymore. I just spectate.

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No I'm just talking about the writer.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Sorry if Im ignorant on this but who is Michael Palitoni the author of that article? I've never heard of him before in any way connected to the fight game. And he makes 1 serious major flaw when he wrote this in his article,
The original Sugar Ray was the 126 pound golden gloves champion in 1939http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qNlf7cohk, in 1940 for his pro debut he was a lightweight and carried the speed and power all the way to middleweight when he made his debut at that weight class at 30 years old.

And Roberto Duran started his career at 122 and was knocking guys out at 154, specifically a fighter named Davey Moore.

Then we have Henry Armstrong. I don't think much needs to be said about him and dominating 3 out of the 8 original weight classes.

Are these 3 on steroids? I doubt it. Seems like the author of the article has piss poor knowledge on the fight game.

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The author did say stronger AND faster with each rise. Not just successful. That does seem quite unnatural.

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Pacquiao is not faster now, I've seen plenty of his fights since his days as a featherweight to say he's not faster now fighting at 140+ pounds.

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No, I am not personally saying that Pac got faster. I'm not going down that kind of road. I just said what the author said. Basically, saying the author isn't saying just stronger. Personally, I think the right steroid helps keep a fast guy's speed as he gets stronger while adding more muscle.

Why don't Paulie quit, PAC always had and always will be drug free he doesnt need those shit. NSAC already released reports that PAC was always drug free. Envious fucking haters:mad:

I'm not a Juan Diaz fan but I really wish Baby Bull decapitates Malignaggi.

Comments like what Paulie had said about Pac using steroids would destroy the sports someday. If Paulie and Mayweather Sr can't prove it, they better shut their mouth coz they're destroying Pac's reputation and they're disrespecting Pac's skills.

Pac has been very fast before and I have already pointed out before that he has actually slowed when he gained weight. Watch the time when he fought Barrera during their first fight and you would agree with me.

He was already amazingly fast during that time. That was the reason he pummeled Barrera into submission. Any ordinary fast fighter wouldn't be able to do that to Barrera. Look at Naz.


This sport is dying and making baseless comments to any fighter who's becoming successful in this sport is making this sport die at a faster rate.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Comments like what Paulie had said about Pac using steroids would destroy the sports someday. If Paulie and Mayweather Sr can't prove it, they better shut their mouth coz they're destroying Pac's reputation and they're disrespecting Pac's skills.

Pac has been very fast before and I have already pointed out before that he has actually slowed when he gained weight. Watch the time when he fought Barrera during their first fight and you would agree with me.

He was already amazingly fast during that time. That was the reason he pummeled Barrera into submission. Any ordinary fast fighter wouldn't be able to do that to Barrera. Look at Naz.


This sport is dying and making baseless comments to any fighter who's becoming successful in this sport is making this sport die at a faster rate.

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Boxing isnt dying because of non-evidence. Boxing is dying because of evidence shown, like bad judging, bad decisions, biased referees and biased judges. All those things kill boxing more then steroid claims. Steroid claims don't make you not want to watch as much as those other things.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Comments like what Paulie had said about Pac using steroids would destroy the sports someday. If Paulie and Mayweather Sr can't prove it, they better shut their mouth coz they're destroying Pac's reputation and they're disrespecting Pac's skills.

Pac has been very fast before and I have already pointed out before that he has actually slowed when he gained weight. Watch the time when he fought Barrera during their first fight and you would agree with me.

He was already amazingly fast during that time. That was the reason he pummeled Barrera into submission. Any ordinary fast fighter wouldn't be able to do that to Barrera. Look at Naz.


This sport is dying and making baseless comments to any fighter who's becoming successful in this sport is making this sport die at a faster rate.

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Boxing isnt dying because of non-evidence. Boxing is dying because of evidence shown, like bad judging, bad decisions, biased referees and biased judges. All those things kill boxing more then steroid claims. Steroid claims don't make you not want to watch as much as those other things.

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Has it ever been better though ? boxing was probably more controversial in the old days, when racism was more apparent and with the mafia running boxing coughs Jake LaMotta vs Billy Fox.

I personally think its just because all the big boxing fights are PPV now, where as they used to be free on the tv.

Boxing isn't dying look at the ppv numbers this year. I can honestly say, my casual fan friends know about more boxers now than they have in the last five years.