What if Tyson and Douglas had a rematch?

Lyle, that's because they're aspiring to fight Super Heavyweights ;)

Where's the motivation to fight real Heavyweights?
Off topic, I know... but still food for thought.

Yep the heavies in the 80,s might have been lighter but look how much more mobile they were an they could put combinations together and they had skill.

The Klitschkos might look in shape but both slow as the fight progress and both look clumsy, its the lack of quality around that has allowed their size to rule.

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep the heavies in the 80,s might have been lighter but look how much more mobile they were an they could put combinations together and they had skill.

The Klitschkos might look in shape but both slow as the fight progress and both look clumsy, its the lack of quality around that has allowed their size to rule.

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Don't let Lyle hear you say that ;D

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep the heavies in the 80,s might have been lighter but look how much more mobile they were an they could put combinations together and they had skill.

The Klitschkos might look in shape but both slow as the fight progress and both look clumsy, its the lack of quality around that has allowed their size to rule.

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I agree with this post, there have always been big men in boxing but the guys who kept themselves in top shape always dominated. If it was just a case of big guys being the dominant forces then Butterbean would have been the G.O.A.T.

The HW division in the mid 80's was worse than it was today. Don't fool yourselves. If the Klits were fighting back then, they both would be undefeated, and Tyson wouldn't be overrated anymore. He would be just a contender. I like men.

Douglas would still ko him.

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Originally Posted by eagleskins

The HW division in the mid 80's was worse than it was today. Don't fool yourselves. If the Klits were fighting back then, they both would be undefeated, and Tyson wouldn't be overrated anymore. He would be just a contender.

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Are you serious!!?

Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson would kill todays heavies, then you have the contenders like Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tubbs, Tony Tucker, Pinklon Thomas and Greg Page, any of those boys could box rings round dopey Wlad!!

Even Trevor Berbick would do well:rolleyes:

You forget, both Klitschkos have losses to such stellar names as Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity, Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd, they are glorified journeymen, its only because todays heavies are shite, no skill and fat! The Klitschkos are in shape and big strong blokes but both fall over their own feet and you only have to say "punch" for Wladamir to fall over;D

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by ross

Yep the heavies in the 80,s might have been lighter but look how much more mobile they were an they could put combinations together and they had skill.

The Klitschkos might look in shape but both slow as the fight progress and both look clumsy, its the lack of quality around that has allowed their size to rule.

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I agree with this post, there have always been big men in boxing but the guys who kept themselves in top shape always dominated. If it was just a case of big guys being the dominant forces then Butterbean would have been the G.O.A.T.

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Butterbean isn't the G.O.A.T.???

I would still go with Buster provided it's an immediate rematch and not several years down the road. He already gained more confidence to do it again and Mike's aura of invincibility is not there anymore.

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by eagleskins

The HW division in the mid 80's was worse than it was today. Don't fool yourselves. If the Klits were fighting back then, they both would be undefeated, and Tyson wouldn't be overrated anymore. He would be just a contender.

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Are you serious!!?

Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson would kill todays heavies, then you have the contenders like Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tubbs, Tony Tucker, Pinklon Thomas and Greg Page, any of those boys could box rings round dopey Wlad!!

Even Trevor Berbick would do well:rolleyes:

You forget, both Klitschkos have losses to such stellar names as Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity, Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd, they are glorified journeymen, its only because todays heavies are shite, no skill and fat! The Klitschkos are in shape and big strong blokes but both fall over their own feet and you only have to say "punch" for Wladamir to fall over;D

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GTFO. Tyson lost to bums like Buster Douglas, Danny Williams, etc. And was destroyed by the only 2 real fighters he ever fought. All of the names you listed are bums. I like bums.

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Originally Posted by ross

Are you serious!!?

Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson would kill todays heavies, then you have the contenders like Tim Witherspoon, Tony Tubbs, Tony Tucker, Pinklon Thomas and Greg Page, any of those boys could box rings round dopey Wlad!!

Even Trevor Berbick would do well:rolleyes:

You forget, both Klitschkos have losses to such stellar names as Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, Ross Purity, Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd, they are glorified journeymen, its only because todays heavies are shite, no skill and fat! The Klitschkos are in shape and big strong blokes but both fall over their own feet and you only have to say "punch" for Wladamir to fall over;D

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Wlad has never been close to having rings boxed around him and none of those contenders would have come close to doing it.

Yes I guess a loss to Lennox Lewis makes you a glorified journeyman :vd:

So they both have losses, there's only 1 guy that was heavyweight champ that doesn't have any losses

IF (& its a big IF) douglas was in the same shape he was for the 1st fight, then douglas wins again, possibly stopping tyson even earlier... tyson trained harder 4 the holyfield rematch but it made no difference, why? because as previous posters have said, once u break tysons will he is finished.

In the 1st fight with holyfield he came out swinging, in the rematch he couldnt even look holyfield in the eye b4 the 1st bell, & he started very tentitively with seemingly little self belief. & remember teddy atlas predicted BEFORE the fight, that tyson would resort 2 dirty tactics & try get disqualified rather than getting ko'd again- so tyson has always lacked heart from the very begining

in a rematch with douglas tyson would be intimidated, & if douglas was in shape like he was the 1st time round then he stops tyson even earlier, regardless how hard tyson trains

boxing is 80% mental, so regardless how hard u train, if u get in that ring and ur not right mentally you will not fight 2 the best of your ability

BUT if douglas turns up in the shape he was against holyfield then tyson has a decent chance, i still wouldnt be certain of a tyson victory though, because as i said tyson would be fighting the demons in his own mind as well as fighting douglas- & douglas would realise that. sure holyfield beat douglas easy, but he was a totally different fighter 2 tyson- taller, longer reach, lighter on his feet, better jab, better counter puncher

& as far as tyson being a "zombie" in the douglas fight, he came out swinging in the 1st round the same as usual, its only when he started getting tagged that he slowed up & seemed in a daze...he was in a daze coz a 235lb man was hitting him in the head! lol thats the 1st time anyone ever attacked tyson with any type of real speed & conviction, so its no coincidence that it was also the 1st time he got beat, in my opinion

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IF (& its a big IF) douglas was in the same shape he was for the 1st fight, then douglas wins again, possibly stopping tyson even earlier... tyson trained harder 4 the holyfield rematch but it made no difference, why? because as previous posters have said, once u break tysons will he is finished.

In the 1st fight with holyfield he came out swinging, in the rematch he couldnt even look holyfield in the eye b4 the 1st bell, & he started very tentitively with seemingly little self belief. & remember teddy atlas predicted BEFORE the fight, that tyson would resort 2 dirty tactics & try get disqualified rather than getting ko'd again- so tyson has always lacked heart from the very begining

in a rematch with douglas tyson would be intimidated, & if douglas was in shape like he was the 1st time round then he stops tyson even earlier, regardless how hard tyson trains

boxing is 80% mental, so regardless how hard u train, if u get in that ring and ur not right mentally you will not fight 2 the best of your ability

BUT if douglas turns up in the shape he was against holyfield then tyson has a decent chance, i still wouldnt be certain of a tyson victory though, because as i said tyson would be fighting the demons in his own mind as well as fighting douglas- & douglas would realise that. sure holyfield beat douglas easy, but he was a totally different fighter 2 tyson- taller, longer reach, lighter on his feet, better jab, better counter puncher

& as far as tyson being a "zombie" in the douglas fight, he came out swinging in the 1st round the same as usual, its only when he started getting tagged that he slowed up & seemed in a daze...he was in a daze coz a 235lb man was hitting him in the head! lol thats the 1st time anyone ever attacked tyson with any type of real speed & conviction, so its no coincidence that it was also the 1st time he got beat, in my opinion

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Now this is a good explanation on why Buster would win if he came back out in shape for the rematch.

I was going to go with most people here and say Tyson would win, but you are right in that once someone gets to Tyson he becomes tame and his aura is gone. Tyson had that aura again during his comeback when he was knocking guys out before Holyfield. I remember the rematch with Holyfield where he couldn't look into the man's eye during the customary stare. Tyson was just shook.

To be fair, at no point did Tyson have Holyfield in any kind of trouble... But he actually knocked Buster Douglas OUT.

I'm sure that would of gave him heart enough to come out swinging a second time around.

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Chino GIVE IT UP Tyson got the shit kicked out of him in that fight

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I am not denying Tyson he got knocked out regardless of Douglas getting a gift 13+ second count.