Thats stupid. I really don't think race is a factor at all. Plus if a white Briton had unified the crusier division then won a portion of the heavweight title i'm sure people would talk about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
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Thats stupid. I really don't think race is a factor at all. Plus if a white Briton had unified the crusier division then won a portion of the heavweight title i'm sure people would talk about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
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Originally Posted by eagleskins
Wow. Very insightful.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanThats stupid. I really don't think race is a factor at all. Plus if a white Briton had unified the crusier division then won a portion of the heavweight title i'm sure people would talk about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Hence look at Adamek.
Hence any white HW that manages to do so regardless of where from...Simply because it is a rarity I mean seriously before the KB's who was the top of the line white hwts? Botha and Morrison? They were both average at bestQuote:
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Originally Posted by ryanmanThats stupid. I really don't think race is a factor at all. Plus if a white Briton had unified the crusier division then won a portion of the heavweight title i'm sure people would talk about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Hence look at Adamek.
Steward is starting to show signs of his dementia now. Haye WILL fight a Klit soon and if it's Wlad he will definitely win by KO. I read that Wlad said after the Chambers fight that Eddie was very very quick?? WTF?? He was shite and just stood there with no foot movement what so ever with his hands up letting Wlad just 1-2 his guard all night. Problem was they were getting through, Haye will be far too quick for Wlad!!
Eddie was quick but not effective, that's the difference. Also, Wlad was saying that just to be "humble" and "classy", I don't think he's been afraid one second of Eddie and just wanted to show some gentleman-nessQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Eddie was ineffective against Vlad because of Vlad. I actually may favor Eddie in a fight against Haye. Regardless, a victory over Eddie means more than one over Valuev or Ruiz. As does a victory over Ruslan, Thompson, and Sultan.
Broken down by all kinds of punches?? Aside from his Jab, I saw barely any variety from Wlad atall. He tried to throw an incredibly limp uppercut early - midway and threw about 4 left hooks, one which briefly landed right at the end to put Chambers down. The punch output and aggression from Wlad is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessPersonally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Eh? He does have the stamina. That was what he went to prove in his last fight with Valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
How many punches do you need if you can throw the right punches at the right time?
This fight will happen eventually, just wait.
I think if Haye can keep improving at Heavy, get another fight in after Ruiz, and look to get working with someone like Brother Nazim or Roach on a top top game plan, I think he can beat Wlad. If he uses only Booth, then that is not enough to figure out a way past Wlads jab. If Haye starches Ruiz, which is not out of the question, I reckon Roach Or Richardson would defo be interested for a fight against Wlad, things could get very very interesting indeed. A corner akin to Eddie Chambers at the weekend is pathetic and is a plan to fail. They had absolutely no creative critisism what so ever with regards to technical input towards a game plan or adjusted game plan or anything aside from shouting and hoping for motivation....
The guy boxed as if he was in danger when he was in there vs Valuev.....what the hell does that tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Wlad is on his game and he's going to beat up and stop whoever is put in his way.....if it ends up being the WBA Chump then Wlad will batter him, if it ends up being Povetkin then Wlad will batter him. It's funny because both the WBA chump and Povetkin AND their trainers love to talk shit but when it comes down to putting their fighters in with THE MAN they shy away from it because they are all full of shit.
HBO made a decision based on TIMING and competition...make no doubts about it, Wlad is the the big draw in the division. He sold 50K tickets to a fight vs Eddie friggin Chambers who's only skill other than being a solid (albeit small) boxer is that he had the stones to step in the ring with Wlad.
The way things are going Wlad may end up fighting David Tua before any of these chumps
haye does talk alot, backout of fights with the klit bros.....does seem a bit weird......i'd love to see old ruiz pull it off sat night, i've always liked old john ruiz.....the guy always does his best, he's hard to watch but gives it his all
His uppercuts are quite neat too, like for the Austin fight for example. I've seen Wlad throwing load of different punches during his career but the thing is: Just with his long range and powerful jab he can to all the damage necessary to then finish his opponents with a powerful straight or a hook. Why would he take some other risks if it does work? I reckon it might not be the best for the show but on a purely effective point of view, it's extremely effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianBroken down by all kinds of punches?? Aside from his Jab, I saw barely any variety from Wlad atall. He tried to throw an incredibly limp uppercut early - midway and threw about 4 left hooks, one which briefly landed right at the end to put Chambers down. The punch output and aggression from Wlad is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessPersonally, I don't think that Haye neither the workrate neither the defense or chin to cope with a piston jab for 5 rounds and then getting broken down by all kind of other punches neither. Haye makes sound because he's a brash mouthed folk and because England needs a boxer to look at but that's about the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
I think if Haye can keep improving at Heavy, get another fight in after Ruiz, and look to get working with someone like Brother Nazim or Roach on a top top game plan, I think he can beat Wlad. If he uses only Booth, then that is not enough to figure out a way past Wlads jab. If Haye starches Ruiz, which is not out of the question, I reckon Roach Or Richardson would defo be interested for a fight against Wlad, things could get very very interesting indeed. A corner akin to Eddie Chambers at the weekend is pathetic and is a plan to fail. They had absolutely no creative critisism what so ever with regards to technical input towards a game plan or adjusted game plan or anything aside from shouting and hoping for motivation....
Seeing which heavyweight he follows I could see how that little show of class would be a bit over his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessEddie was quick but not effective, that's the difference. Also, Wlad was saying that just to be "humble" and "classy", I don't think he's been afraid one second of Eddie and just wanted to show some gentleman-nessQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Eddie's quicker than the guy fighting Ruiz tomorrow and he throws straighter punches too.
I've heard that argument too often....Wlad throws different punches WHEN HE HAS TO.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Sure he relies on the 1-2 a bunch but his left hook is the best in the division!!! Sure I assume people will either search for someone who FEATURES a left hook or even cite the poor state of the division as to why Wlad has the best jab, best right cross, and best left hook in the division....but the facts are his left hook and right cross are as effective as they are because his jab is so great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtfMDVGJdxM
When the 1-2 is stopped by someone, maybe Wlad will change it up, but why the hell tamper with success???
David Haye is faster than Chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleSeeing which heavyweight he follows I could see how that little show of class would be a bit over his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessEddie was quick but not effective, that's the difference. Also, Wlad was saying that just to be "humble" and "classy", I don't think he's been afraid one second of Eddie and just wanted to show some gentleman-nessQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Eddie's quicker than the guy fighting Ruiz tomorrow and he throws straighter punches too.
...when it comes to running away from Wladimir, yes by all means he makes Usain Bolt look like a snailQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
BOOM! Set 'em up and I knock 'em down